My Delight with Sarah Bartel

Listen to Sarah and Catholic rom-com author Olivia Hope McCarthy chat about Olivia's novels...
What inspired her to start writing clean rom-coms
The importance of finding outside interests when you're a mom and how that blesses your family
How imagination and clean romance books can properly be used to spice up marriage
Olivia's watch recommendation
Olivia shares her favorite of her novels and talks through which one she'd recommend Sarah read next
Mentioned in this episode:
Your Blue Flame, by Jennifer Fulwiler
Olivia's Catholic/Christian Kisses-Only Rom-Coms Novels on Amazon
Olivia's free romcom novel, Gateway Archnemesis
Olivia's IG: https://www.instagram.com/oliviamccarthyauthor/
 🔥 Free Guide to 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit for Improving Intimacy for Catholic Wives 
https://canafeast.com/MyDelight-9-Skills
🤔 What is Allowed for Catholics in the Bedroom? Find out in the 19-page "What's Allowed List" ($10)
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Do you want to know what is allowed for Catholics in the bedroom? The "What's Allowed List" answers 20+ questions about what is licit and illicit. ($10)

Have you picked up the idea that sex is a need, especially for men? This idea is false. 
Sex is not a need. It's a desire. 
Believing that sex is a need for men in marriage puts a lot of pressure on wives, and it may be one reason that many women don't enjoy sex in their marriage.
Speaking as a Catholic moral theologian, Sarah Bartel refutes this claim and counters with the Catholic view on sexual desire in official Church teaching.
First, Sarah examines one book in which sex is presented as a man's physical need for release, the popular 2004 Protestant book by Dr, Emerson Eggerichs. In it, the author states that even if a wife doesn't want to have sex, or if she has suffered childhood sexual abuse, she needs to set that aside and have sex with her husband "as unto Christ," looking over her husband's shoulder and spiritually seeing Christ there. 
Sarah comments on how coercive this is, then presents the Catholic view of chastity, self-mastery, and respectfully subordinating physical sexual desire to the service of emotional, spiritual, and relational values in marriage as found in magisterial Church documents.
From Pope Pius XI's Casti Connubi (1930): 
par. 37: "Moreover, the dignity of both man and wife is maintained and mutual aid is most satisfactorily assured, while through the indissoluble bond, always enduring, the spouses are warned continuously that not for the sake of perishable things nor that they may serve their passions, but that they may procure one for the other high and lasting good have they entered into the nuptial partnership..."
From Vatican II's document Gaudium et Spes (1965):
par. 49: "This love is an eminently human one since it is directed from one person to another through an affection of the will; it involves the good of the whole person, and therefore can enrich the expressions of body and mind with a unique dignity, ennobling these expressions as special ingredients and signs of the friendship distinctive of marriage. This love God has judged worthy of special gifts, healing, perfecting and exalting gifts of grace and of charity. Such love, merging the human with the divine, leads the spouses to a free and mutual gift of themselves, a gift providing itself by gentle affection and by deed, such love pervades the whole of their lives:(11) indeed by its busy generosity it grows better and grows greater. Therefore it far excels mere erotic inclination, which, selfishly pursued, soon enough fades wretchedly away.
This love is uniquely expressed and perfected through the appropriate enterprise of matrimony. The actions within marriage by which the couple are united intimately and chastely are noble and worthy ones. Expressed in a manner which is truly human, these actions promote that mutual self-giving by which spouses enrich each other with a joyful and a ready will."
From St. Paul VI's Humanae Vitae (1968):
par. 13: "a conjugal act imposed on one's partner without regard to his or her condition or personal and reasonable wishes in the matter, is no true act of love, and therefore offends the moral order"
From the The Pontifical Council for the Family's 1995 document, The Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality:
par. 3: "In fact, man is called to love as an incarnate spirit, that is soul and body in the unity of the person. Human love hence embraces the body, and the body also expresses spiritual love. Therefore, sexuality is not something purely biological, rather it concerns the intimate nucleus of the person. ... Lord's Redemption has made the positive practice of chastity into something that is really possible and a motive for joy, both for those who have the vocation to marriage (before, in the time of preparation, and afterwards, in the course of married life) as well as for those who have the gift of a special calling to the consecrated life."
From The Catechism of the Catholic Church: 
no. 2361: "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."
no. 2337: "Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. Sexuality, in which man's belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman. The virtue of chastity therefore involves the integrity of the person and the integrality of the gift."
no. 2339: "Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. the alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy. "Man's dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end."
Women are not the only ones harmed by a believing that sex is a physical need for men; it trains men in an entitled and selfish view, short-stopping their capacity to grow in self-mastery and in attunement, care, reverence, and respect for the wife and her physical and emotional well-being.
On that note, a final quote from Humanae Vitae underscores the attitude of care and solicitous concern for his wife's well-being that should temper a man's sexual desire: 
par. 17: " Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection."
The Catholic Church teaches that sex is a desire that can be mastered in view of higher emotional and spiritual goods. Sex should express love in marriage, serving and fitting into the emotional and spiritual relationship of husband and wife, not bulldozing past important human and spiritual values of care, respect, emotional connection, consideration for the other spouse. The Church does not teach that sex is a need for men ... or women. It is meant to be a beautiful expression of love in marriage that is both unitive and procreative, and it is not to be pursued in marriage in a self-serving, physicalist way. It should be at the service of the emotional and spiritual connection of the couple's relationship, subordinated to relational goods. Inconsiderately setting aside a wife's past sexual trauma doesn't respect this. The Church teaches that sex is not to be imposed on a spouse inconsiderately when they don't want it, not coerced. The wife's condition and wishes matter.
A husband should lovingly show reverence his wife's physical and emotional equilibrium. Husbands and wives are equal, and both are expected to be capable of integrating their sexual desires into their whole personhood and into the service of their marriage bond in a way that is truly human, that is, it involves the will, the soul, and the heart. 
This is how married men and women are called to live as disciples of Christ, pursuing holiness. 

 🔥 Free Guide to 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit for Improving Intimacy for Catholic Wives 
https://canafeast.com/MyDelight-9-Skills
🤔 What is Allowed for Catholics in the Bedroom? Find out in the 19-page "What's Allowed List" ($10)
https://canafeast.com/mydelight-whatsallowed

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Free Enhancing Marital Intimacy Guide for Catholic Women: 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit (for married and engaged women)
Do you want to know what is allowed for Catholics in the bedroom? The "What's Allowed List" answers 20+ questions about what is licit and illicit. ($10)

Married twelve years with four kids, Elizabeth and her husband mentor engaged couples for the church and teach sympto-thermal NFP through the Couple-to-Couple League. 
Raised in purity culture, they both assumed that by abstaining until marriage, sex would naturally just work great and keep getting better through the years.
It wasn't getting better on its own, so Elizabeth enrolled in My Delight.
In this interview, she candidly shares how the conversation went when she asked him about her enrolling. 
She shares what helped, what changed for her and her husband, and what advice she'd give women thinking of joining My Delight this fall.
Resources mentioned in the show:
Couple to Couple League
My Delight (opening for the fall cohort Sept. 14-17, 2026)
 🔥 Free Guide to 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit for Improving Intimacy for Catholic Wives 
https://canafeast.com/MyDelight-9-Skills
🤔 What is Allowed for Catholics in the Bedroom? Find out in the 19-page "What's Allowed List" ($10)
https://canafeast.com/mydelight-whatsallowed

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Want to learn 10 Truths for Good Sex for Catholic Wives? 
Free "10 Truths" download.
https://canafeast.com/10truths
Free Enhancing Marital Intimacy Guide for Catholic Women: 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit (for married and engaged women)
Do you want to know what is allowed for Catholics in the bedroom? The "What's Allowed List" answers 20+ questions about what is licit and illicit. ($10)

Haley Yeager is a Creighton Model FertiliCare NFP instructor and the host of the Truth and Fertility Podcast. Sarah asked her what she would say to a young engaged Catholic woman who doesn't think she'll need to learn NFP because she wants to have kids right away.
Listen along to learn:
1. You might not get pregnant as quickly as you hope, and NFP is great for helping couples conceive. In fact, 76% of couples with normal fertility conceive on their first cycle using CreightonModel FertiliCare, and by the sixth cycle, that rate goes to 98%. Couples with infertility have a 20-40% chance of conceiving, the same rate as a round of IVF.  ( https://tcmef.org/achieving-pregnancy)
2. Learning to track your cycles together gives your husband a window into the cyclical life he'll be living once he's married to a woman and closely united with her.
3. Learning to understand your body with cycle charting empowers you with a body literacy that can help you address underlying root causes of reproductive health challenges.
Find Haley on her Truth and Fertility Podcast
Reels @truthandfertilityproject
https://truthandfertility.com
https://www.factsaboutfertility.org
 🔥 Free Guide to 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit for Improving Intimacy for Catholic Wives 
https://canafeast.com/MyDelight-9-Skills
🤔 What is Allowed for Catholics in the Bedroom? Find out in the 19-page "What's Allowed List" ($10)
https://canafeast.com/mydelight-whatsallowed

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Want to learn 10 Truths for Good Sex for Catholic Wives? 
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Free Enhancing Marital Intimacy Guide for Catholic Women: 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit (for married and engaged women)
Do you want to know what is allowed for Catholics in the bedroom? The "What's Allowed List" answers 20+ questions about what is licit and illicit. ($10)

Sarah sits with Catholic Health and Hormones expert Rita Johnson of Divine Mercy Nutritional Care to discuss how to thrive in perimenopause. 
Inspired by a conversation with the Lord in Adoration, Rita created "The Perimenopause Toolkit" a week-long workshop with a talk each day featuring the expertise of one of five Catholic women's health experts who gather to share about exercise, hormone replacement therapy considerations, hormonal knowledge, and marital intimacy through this season of change in a woman's life.
God's design for your body is beautiful and good--even as your body changes.
Register at https://healthandhormones.org/perimenopause-toolkit/
Sarah asked Rita to share three tips to help women thrive in perimenopause. They are:
1. Calm down your nervous system. The same emotional regulation and nervous system calming measures that can help your libido thrive can also help you feel better through perimenopause. Things you can try to keep your nervous system regulated include protecting sleep so that you get at 7-9 hours. At Sarah's request, Rita shares her own nighttime wind-down routine that prepares her for her nine-hour-a-night sleep. 
2. Eat a good breakfast with protein within an hour of waking up. Women's hormones thrive when blood sugar is stabilized with morning protein, especially when perimenopause hormone shifts remove some of the blood sugar protection that women may have had earlier. Rita shares how this can look like adding collagen to your coffee or tea in the morning or adding sausage to breakfast.
3. Get intentional about movement and exercise to work your muscles for strength, however you can fit that into your days.  This can look like a short walk after meals, or doing ten bodyweight squats, or trying to get up from your chair without using any assistance, and see if you can do that ten times in a row. 
Want to learn more about thriving in perimenopause from multiple Catholic women experts?  Sign up for the workshop hear from experts. 
If you can't make each daily session live, don't worry, as the recordings will be available for those who register. 
Sign up here:
https://healthandhormones.org/perimenopause-toolkit

 🔥 Free Guide to 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit for Improving Intimacy for Catholic Wives 
https://canafeast.com/MyDelight-9-Skills
🤔 What is Allowed for Catholics in the Bedroom? Find out in the 19-page "What's Allowed List" ($10)
https://canafeast.com/mydelight-whatsallowed

Support the show
Want to learn 10 Truths for Good Sex for Catholic Wives? 
Free "10 Truths" download.
https://canafeast.com/10truths
Free Enhancing Marital Intimacy Guide for Catholic Women: 9 Skills for Body, Mind, and Spirit (for married and engaged women)
Do you want to know what is allowed for Catholics in the bedroom? The "What's Allowed List" answers 20+ questions about what is licit and illicit. ($10)