Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Co-Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome John Bytheway, the co-host of the "Follow Him" podcast, to dive into Exodus chapters 1 through 6. From the rise of a new Pharaoh who "knew not Joseph" to the burning bush and Moses' call to deliver Israel, this episode explores what it means to know who you are when the world — or the adversary — tries to tell you otherwise. The trio shares insights into the meaning of Moses' name, how Satan's first move is always an attack on identity, and what the Hebrew phrase "I Am That I Am" reveals about the nature of God.

This week, Connor and Chase are holding things down on their own as they explore Genesis 42–50 and the remarkable story of Joseph in Egypt. What begins as a familiar Old Testament narrative quickly opens up into something richer — a life full of deliberate, Christlike parallels.

Joseph is rejected by his own brothers, sold for silver, imprisoned unjustly, and ultimately lifted to a position of life‑saving authority. The guys break down why these connections to the Savior aren’t accidental and what they reveal about God’s pattern of working through hardship.
They also dive deep into the theme of divine timing. Drawing from Chase’s current battle with injury leading up to the NFL Draft, the conversation turns personal as they talk about how adversity often feels random — and why it might actually be preparation.

Join hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a powerful episode featuring three special guests: former sister missionaries Izabele Christensen and Ivy Stout, and convert James Calderon, whom they taught in the Washington, D.C. South Mission.

In this deeply personal episode, James shares his remarkable journey from a difficult separation and divorce to finding truth through the restored gospel. What started as a chance encounter on a George Mason University street corner became a life-changing experience that illustrates key principles from the story of Joseph in Genesis 37-41.

James vulnerably discusses his initial hesitation toward baptism, his ongoing battles with old habits, and how temple covenants became "a way to look forward in life." Izzy and Ivy share their perspective on watching God work in someone's life, emphasizing that you don't need to be perfect before making covenants - you need covenants to become perfect.

This episode also powerfully demonstrates that "time and again, good fortune seemed to abandon Joseph, but the Lord never did" - a principle that applies to all our lives as we strive to keep our covenants with God.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts really needed to take a break. Connor recently got married and was on his honeymoon, while Chase Roberts has been participating in the NFL Draft Combine. They'll be back next week for a brand new episode of Two Point Conversion.

Hosts Connor Pay and Chase Roberts chat with Shan Arumugam, whose remarkable story of faith and transformation will inspire anyone facing adversity. From growing up in India's "untouchable" caste system to finding hope in the gospel of Jesus Christ, Shan shares his incredible journey—from contemplating suicide as a university student to discovering missionaries who changed his life forever. His story includes serving a mission without knowing English or Hindi, earning a scholarship to BYU Hawaii with just a few dollars in his pocket, and eventually being sealed in the temple. The conversation weaves Shan's personal testimony with insights from Genesis 18-23, exploring themes of covenant keeping, divine promises, and the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. The hosts discuss how Abraham and Sarah's decades-long wait for their promised son mirrors our own faith journeys, and how every religion points back to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ.