Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Connor Pay is joined by guest co-host Trevor Pay and special guest Professor Ryan Sharp, Associate Department Chair of Ancient Scripture at BYU, for a deep dive into the Book of Psalms — the first week of their Come, Follow Me study in the Old Testament's most beloved collection of songs, prayers, and poetry.

Ryan guides the discussion through the Psalms, exploring how these 150 ancient hymns capture every dimension of the human experience with God. The trio also discusses topics like the power of music to shape our hearts and what it means to study scripture "sacramentally" — connecting heart and soul with God.

This week's episode is unlike any other. Connor and Chase sit down with actress and Israeli ambassador Diane Nea for a wide-ranging conversation that mirrors the Book of Job.

Diane shares her extraordinary life story: from a decade-plus on Law & Order: SVU to losing everything. She talks about making aliyah and becoming an Israeli citizen, living in Israel during wartime, and finding herself in an unlikely role: literally gathering Israel as an ambassador for the Jewish homeland.

Along the way, Diane draws stunning parallels to the Book of Job — the suffering that can't be explained, the friends who assume you must have done something wrong, and the enduring faith that carries you through anyway.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Liz Darger — Senior Associate Athletic Director at BYU — to dive into the Book of Esther from the Come, Follow Me curriculum.

Liz shares her remarkable journey from Boise, Idaho to BYU's athletic department: a path shaped not by careful planning, but by a series of unexpected nudges from God, coaches, and mentors. Along the way, the three discuss what it means to show up with courage in a male-dominated industry, why God's hand is often most visible in hindsight, and how Esther's story mirrors the experiences of modern missionaries and everyday believers.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are back with a shorter-than-usual episode — Chase is reporting early to Las Vegas for Raiders training camp, and Connor is deep in final prep mode for BYU Football’s fall camp. Despite the condensed schedule, they each share one powerful insight from this week's Come, Follow Me study in Ezra and Nehemiah.

Chase draws from Nehemiah 6:3 — "I am doing a great work so that I cannot come down" — and unpacks how Nehemiah's refusal to be distracted by enemies mirrors the subtle ways Satan tries to pull us away from our covenants. Not through dramatic temptation, but through the slow, quiet pressure to settle for "good" when God is calling us to "best."

Connor takes a different angle, zooming in on the reconstruction of the temple in Ezra. Studying the temple as a personal focus lately, he traces a recurring pattern throughout the Old Testament: when Israel honored the temple and its covenants, they flourished. When the temple was neglected or destroyed, they fell. He connects that pattern to his own life — and to the joy he and his wife Mallory have found in regular temple attendance and family history work.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome David Snell, the creator of the YouTube channel Keystone to discuss this week's Come, Follow Me lesson from 2 Chronicles. They use the story of King Asa as a launching point to explore why we sometimes stop trusting God when life gets hard. Together they discuss what it really means to be a peacemaker in today's world, what repentance actually looks like when you put it in football terms, and why clinging to temple covenants is the throughline of it all.