Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Connor and Chase are flying solo this week for a shorter, more personal episode diving into 1 Samuel 8–10, 13, 15, and 16 — the chapters that set the stage for one of Scripture's most iconic stories: David and Goliath.

This week, the guys reflect on the powerful theme that whom the Lord calls, He qualifies — and what it means to feel unworthy of a calling but show up anyway. Connor shares his own experiences with feeling unqualified, from his mission to his recent calling in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and how these chapters brought real comfort. Chase draws a compelling parallel between Saul's call to be king and the mindset of Raiders quarterback Fernando Mendoza, whose quiet dedication to doing "everything he can" every day reflects the heart-centered discipleship the scriptures teach.

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Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU religion professor Robbie Taggart for a memorable episode about David and punk rock. Before diving into the scriptures, Robbie shares his remarkable backstory — from playing bass in punk bands alongside the future members of The Used, to serving a mission that changed everything, to eventually earning a PhD and landing his dream job teaching religion at BYU.

The conversation then turns to this week's Come Follow Me material covering the story of David. Going far beyond the familiar David and Goliath account, Professor Taggart walks through the full arc of David's life — the jealous Saul, the loyalty of Jonathan, the wild wilderness years, and the stunning Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7. He unpacks how God's persistent, unrelenting love (hesed) carried David through his greatest triumphs and his most devastating failures, pointing ultimately to Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of that ancient promise.

Chase also reflects on how David's faith connects directly to his own experience as an NFL free agent with the Las Vegas Raiders — giving the battle to the Lord and finding peace in the process.

BYU religion professor Tyler Griffin joins Connor Pay and Chase Roberts for a deep dive into the Book of Ruth and the opening chapters of 1 Samuel. What begins as an overlooked four-chapter story becomes a rich exploration of loyalty, redemption, and what it means to trust God in seasons of uncertainty.

Professor Griffin unpacks the powerful symbolism woven through Ruth's story — how Naomi represents the House of Israel, Ruth represents each of us, and Boaz serves as a type of Jesus Christ — the ultimate kinsman redeemer. Together, they explore how Ruth's loyalty, Boaz's loving kindness, and Hannah's praise in 1 Samuel all point to the same truth: when we put the Savior at the center, life becomes something worth trusting — even when we can't see where it's going.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts are joined by BYU professor of ancient religion Josh Matson for a rich discussion on the Book of Judges as part of this week's Come Follow Me study.

Josh shares his winding journey to BYU — from being cut from his high school basketball team, to a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Canada, rejected job applications, a week in Hawaii that led nowhere, and ultimately landing at BYU on his fourth try. His story sets the tone for the episode's central theme: God calls people not because of what they've done, but because of what He needs them to do.

Together, Connor, Chase, and Josh explore the cycle of sin, captivity, and deliverance that defines the Judges era and ask an uncomfortable question: are we really that different from the ancient Israelites? Connor walks through his own personal list of modern "false gods" — money, status, social media, political tribes — and Chase draws a powerful parallel between the NFL's zero-tolerance for repeated mistakes and God's infinite patience with His covenant people.

Josh brings the text to life with stories of left-handed Ehud, the unlikely warrior Jael, and a laugh-out-loud mission story that led to a baptism — proving that God works through our unique personalities, quirks, and even our sense of humor.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome BYU cheerleader and social media personality Ammon Montenegro to the podcast. Chase kicks things off with an inside look at life as an NFL rookie — grueling OTA schedules, thousand-page playbooks, and the constant pressure to perform every detail flawlessly. Then Ammon shares his remarkable journey: growing up as one of eleven kids in Las Vegas, playing football and wrestling, walking on at Snow College, serving a mission in Liberia, and ultimately feeling called to cheer at BYU — where he's now a three-year captain leading a team full of women with a whole new kind of courage.

The crew digs into Joshua 1–8 and the themes of strength, obedience, and taking a step of faith. They explore why God repeatedly told Joshua "be strong and of good courage," what it means that the River Jordan didn't part until the priests' feet hit the water, and how all three of them have had to walk into the unknown — whether that's a dusty road in West Africa, a new NFL playbook, or learning to lead in an entirely different way.