Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Chase Roberts and Connor Pay are joined by Connor's lifelong friend and former Lone Peak High School basketball teammate, Steven Ashworth. Steven shares his journey from growing up playing sports to a standout college career at Creighton, signing NBA contracts, and playing professionally in Germany.

The conversation covers it all — from the injury setbacks that became blessings in disguise (including Steven's broken wrist that led to his best shooting season), to the lessons learned through competition, inadequacy, and trusting the Lord's plan. Connor even shares how Steven helped to bring him closer to Jesus Christ and serve a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The three also dive into this week's Come, Follow Me study of Jeremiah, exploring themes of foreordination, spiritual gifts, and how God knows each of us before we're even formed in the belly.

Chase opens up about his NFL journey — the struggle of comparison as a free agent, learning to become "uncuttable" on special teams, and navigating the identity shift of being released from a team. The guys share powerful missionary stories, discuss the unique spiritual attributes we each bring from the premortal life, and reflect on how small, everyday acts of discipleship can change someone's life in ways you may never realize.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome former BYU gymnast Chiara Andrew, who left her dream college program to compete for the Philippine national gymnastics team. The trio digs into Isaiah 58–66, exploring the purpose of fasting, what it means to make the Sabbath a delight when your schedule says otherwise, and how keeping Christ at the center opens doors you never saw coming. Chiara shares her journey from BYU to qualifying for World Championships in Rotterdam, how fasting as a young girl built the faith that carried her through one of the biggest decisions of her life, and why gymnastics is just the platform for something bigger.

Connor and Trevor Pay sit down with Joel and Rose Chibota — Trevor's former mission leaders in Alabama and two of the most influential people in his life. Sister Chibota was recently called as the Primary General President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, making this conversation especially timely.

The Chibotas share their remarkable conversion stories from Zimbabwe — from a young girl's inspired question about what God looks like, to a dream leading a frustrated young man to a chapel he'd never seen before — and how those experiences shaped their lifelong ministry of leading others to the Savior.

Together, the group studies Isaiah chapters 50 through 57, exploring themes of trusting the Lord's timing, recognizing His hand in our lives, and making the Atonement personal. Trevor opens up about his journey as a preferred walk-on at BYU, learning to trust God when the path doesn't match the plan.

Fresh off a bye week, Connor and Chase are back in the studio with returning guest Tanner Wall to dive into Isaiah 40–49 and the powerful shift from judgment to comfort, hope, and redemption. The conversation kicks off with BYU football — Kalani Sitake's unwavering principles (yes, including the end-of-game debates), a player-led culture that's turned the program into a powerhouse, and why staying process-oriented matters more than style points. Then things get personal as Tanner and Chase open up about their NFL journeys — the highs of signing with the same team, the gut-punch of being released, injuries, identity crises, and what it really looks like to "wait upon the Lord" when life doesn't go according to plan.

Connor and Chase are joined by BYU professor and friend Hank Smith to tackle one of scripture's most intimidating — and most quoted — books: Isaiah. Chase opens up about being waived injured by the Raiders and shares what rehab, new team workouts, and finding blessings in adversity have looked like. Then the three dive into Isaiah 1–12 for this week's Come, Follow Me, covering how to approach Isaiah without being overwhelmed, the history of scattering and gathering, why Nephi loved Isaiah's words, and what it means to turn your sword into a plow. Hank walks through Isaiah's temple vision in chapter 6, the prophet's call and cleansing, and the hopeful promise in chapters 11–12 that God will gather His people — and gather you, personally.