EP 19 | MTV Ridiculousness, Starlink Takes Orbit & The Recession Hot Dog
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the bankruptcy of MTV’s Ridiculousness, the show that turned cultural decline into a business model. Thrill Intermediate LLC is in Chapter 11 after fourteen years and forty-six seasons, and Bloomberg’s sloppy redaction reveals Rob Dyrdek earning more than thirty-two million dollars a year. The hosts break down how a show built from recycled clips became a symbol of cultural bankruptcy (04:28).
At (11:22), they dig into the case’s real story, a lender control fight rather than a liquidity crisis, with Dyrdek sitting on both sides of the table. Jason and Kevin debate whether YouTube killed MTV or if MTV simply stopped trying.
Octus senior distressed analyst Adam Rhodes joins at (15:50) to explain the global battle over spectrum. He unpacks EchoStar’s thirty-five billion dollar sale to AT&T and SpaceX and how Starlink is quietly rewriting the rules of connectivity. Spectrum, once the domain of engineers, is now the next financial frontier.
The show turns to Venezuela at (31:19), where a Delaware court is auctioning off Citgo to repay billions in judgments. Elliott’s Amber Energy leads at five point nine billion while rival factions of the Venezuelan government fight for control. It’s part bankruptcy, part geopolitics, and entirely surreal.
By (45:59), the focus shifts to Recession Indicators 2025. Trader Joe’s ends free samples, Target tightens prices, Southwest scraps open seating, and LinkedIn influencers rediscover “resilience.” It all ends with a Nextdoor mystery about a doghouse, a pile of clothes, and an uneaten hot dog — the only recession indicator that really matters.
Hosted by: Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt
Guest: Adam Rhodes, Senior Distressed Analyst at Octus
Produced and Edited by: Tanya Hubbard
A Production of The Octus Podcast Network
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EP 18 | First Brands’ $2B Vanish, Publishers Clearing House Bankruptcy & Paul Thomas Anderson’s America
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the kind of week that makes “crisis” sound quaint. First Brands’ auto parts empire gets gutted by a refinancing gone sideways, two billion dollars missing, and more double-pledged inventory than a payday loan strip mall. With founder Patrick James shown the door and CRO Charles Morris dragged off the bench (01:58), the pair dissect how nine billion in creditor claims is chasing what might be a three billion dollar business, and what “small f fraud” actually means when the court is holding the shovel.
At (02:37), special guest Jared Muroff, Head of Special Situations at Octus, walks through the knife fight between creditors and the strange mechanics of tracing fugitive proceeds through webs of SPVs and offshore accounts. Is this the tip of the loose credit iceberg or just another spectacular bankruptcy flameout?
Then, because the universe loves its little jokes, we pivot (19:38) to Publishers Clearing House, where “lifetime” sweepstakes winners just discovered their prize was a front row seat in the unsecured creditors section. Balloon arches, seven figure dreams, and a lawsuit dripping with irony. They even debate (20:46) whether it is reasonable to expect the newly bankrupt to have diligenced a sweepstakes capital structure. Your call.
The Bankruptcy Boys update (28:33) blazes through Stoli and Kentucky Owl’s whiskey for debt gambit, the Seaquarium’s tanked lease, and that rare bourbon brand comeback story: Uncle Nearest, in receivership but actually recovering (34:59).
At (35:31) comes this week’s Unofficial Sponsor, Starbucks Workers United. Jason and Kevin take a walk down memory lane to their high school jobs before closing (39:15) with Paul Thomas Anderson’s One Battle After Another. Set in a dystopian, painfully recognizable America, the film throws leftist nostalgia and right wing cosplay into a blender and serves it with a side of despair and dry humor. Leonardo DiCaprio stumbles through as Bob Ferguson, a burnout chasing the ghost of activism past, while his daughter Willa inherits both the fight and the wreckage. Benicio Del Toro glides in as Sensei Sergio, the only character who seems genuinely aware that humanity is actually on the line, not just performing for the timeline.
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Hosted by Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt
Guest: Jared Muroff (Head of Special Situations at Octus)
Produced and Edited by Tanya Hubbard
A Production of The Octus Podcast Network
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EP 17 | First Brands Collapses, Argentina’s $20B Lifeline, and Why Failure Wins
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open with the collapse of First Brands (02:26), the autoparts empire that ran on borrowed cash until the music stopped. Once a $6 billion capital structure with 20 acquisitions since 2018, the company unraveled after a failed refinancing, a missing quality-of-earnings report, and an expensive dependence on factoring. Skylar Chen, Senior Reporter at Octus, joins (04:40) to explain how a billion dollars in liquidity vanished in weeks and why a traditional manufacturer ended up looking more like a shadow bank.
The conversation turns to Argentina (14:13) and President Javier Milei’s $20 billion lifeline from the U.S. Treasury. Markets cheer, protesters riot, and soybeans quietly switch buyers from Iowa to Shanghai. Jason and Kevin debate whether this is financial genius or bailout theater and unpack how hedge funds, swap lines, and soy taxes became foreign policy.
At (24:40) the Kawhi Leonard Update Corner returns with the latest from the Aspiration bankruptcy. Kawhi denies the “no-show” contract claims, the NBA hires Wachtell Lipton to investigate, and the bankruptcy trustee circles a $28 million endorsement that looks less like marketing and more like compensation.
The week’s Unofficial Sponsor arrives (33:29) as the Federal Government of the United States, proudly closed for business but still billing interest. Jason and Kevin break down how a government shutdown manages to stall everything except debt.
The episode closes with Slow Horses (36:31) on Apple TV, the British spy series that turns bureaucratic failure into performance art. Jason and Kevin explore why the show’s cast of MI5 rejects feels like the perfect metaphor for modern institutions, broken, brilliant, and somehow still functioning when everything else has fallen apart.
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Hosted by Jason Sanjana & Kevin Eckhardt
Guest: Skyler Chen (Senior Reporter, Octus)
Produced and Edited by Tanya Hubbard
A Production of The Octus Podcast Network
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Dallas with the collapse of Tricolor Auto Group (02:58). Once a major subprime auto lender and used car chain catering to Hispanic communities across the Southwest, Tricolor filed Chapter 7 overnight, shuttering 65 dealerships. Allegations of double-pledged collateral, warehouse loan defaults, and immigration policy headwinds turned a growth story into a sudden liquidation, raising questions about broader risks in the $1.6 trillion U.S. auto loan market.
From there (17:44) the spotlight shifts to QVC. Once the late-night shopping staple, the company now leans on TikTok influencers while battling tariffs, cord-cutting, and a billion-dollar deferred tax liability. Simran Bal, Senior Credit Analyst at Octus, joins to explain how prepaid executive bonuses, maxed-out revolvers, and Liberty’s convoluted capital structure signal a likely restructuring — and why TikTok “live selling” may be QVC’s last real lifeline.
The Kawhi Leonard update begins (38:24). At a Chapter 7 creditors’ meeting, CTN Holdings’ former CRO claimed he had “no knowledge” of Leonard’s $28 million contract with the bankrupt tree-planting startup. With the NBA investigating and the trustee probing potential fraudulent transfers, questions swirl about whether management concealed material contracts or whether the bankruptcy process itself failed.
The culture close starts (47:58) with Netflix’s Unknown Number. The documentary exposes a cyberbullying scandal where a mother secretly tormented her own daughter with thousands of lurid text messages. Jason and Kevin unpack the failures of law enforcement, the moral panic around social media, and why sometimes the adults are the real villains.
The episode wraps (56:50) with reflections on how collapsing cars, collapsing cables, and collapsing caller ID all point to the same theme: shaky credit, shaky institutions, and shaky trust.
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Hosted by Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt
Guests: Simran Bal
Produced and edited by Tanya Hubbard
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EP 15 | Kawhi Leonard in Bankruptcy Court, Spirit on the Brink, and Disqualified Counsel Provisions
Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt open in Los Angeles with the biggest sports bankruptcy crossover in years (02:58). NBA star Kawhi Leonard faces scrutiny over a $28 million endorsement deal with now bankrupt tree planting company Aspiration Partners (CTN Holdings). What began as a standard corporate restructuring has turned into a potential salary cap circumvention scandal involving the LA Clippers. The NBA has reopened its investigation and a Chapter 7 trustee now controls potential fraudulent transfer claims worth millions.
From there (29:00) the conversation shifts to Spirit Airlines’ second bankruptcy filing in less than a year. Once considered a restructuring success story the discount carrier faces the same operational problems that plagued its first case including grounded aircraft, credit card processor demands, and revenue per passenger declining 9% year over year. Management’s bold Friday filing before Labor Day weekend signals desperation rather than strategy.
Julian Bulaon, Head of Liability Management, joins (48:00) to discuss the rise of disqualified counsel provisions in credit agreements. These sponsor friendly clauses allow borrowers to veto lender counsel selections after deal closing, a concerning evolution in the ongoing battle between creditors and sponsors over liability management exercises.
The culture close begins (57:00) with Netflix’s The Hunting Wives, a suburban Texas drama of lake houses, politics, and scandal.
The episode wraps (01:06:00) with cannabis foreclosures as marijuana companies increasingly turn to Article 9 processes in the absence of bankruptcy protection.
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Hosted by Jason Sanjana and Kevin Eckhardt
Guest: Julian Bulaon
Produced and edited by Tanya Hubbard
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