The Russell Moore Show

What if heroism isn’t about being Superman, but about setting aside cynicism to choose courage in ordinary life?

Russell welcomes his good friend Adam Kinzinger for a conversation that starts with Kingziner’s new children’s book, That’s What Heroes Do, which grew out of his experience becoming a father during one of the most turbulent stretches of modern American politics.

Russell and Adam talk candidly—as friends who’ve walked through some of the same fire together—about the strange emotional and spiritual exhaustion of the last decade. The two revisit January 6, the culture of fear inside Washington, and the strange power Trump still seems to hold over people who privately disagree with him. Adam talks openly about what it was like to watch colleagues quietly support him in private while publicly falling back in line, why he believes accountability still matters, and why proximity to power can become spiritually intoxicating. 

Adam talks about rediscovering Christianity apart from political tribalism, and why the friendships forged in difficult times have mattered more than ever. It’s a serious conversation, but also a warm one between two friends trying to figure out how to remain human in an age determined to make everybody performative, furious, and afraid. Their conversation has an undertone begging the question: how can we stay hopeful when outrage and cynicism feel easier? 

Plus: Russell shares about one of his most awkward moments: meeting President Trump at a White House event, and the exchange that followed.

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That’s What Heroes Do by Adam Kinzinger

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Sometimes the Pope knows how to nail some theses to the door too – a reading from Russell’s recent newsletter.

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Two men from Mississippi’s Gulf Coast wonder if America is finally willing to grow up.

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As we approach America’s 250th anniversary, Russell is joined by fellow southern Mississippi native and public intellectual Dr. Eddie S. Glaude Jr. to talk about race, memory, patriotism, and the stories nations tell themselves in order to avoid repentance. 

Drawing from his new book America, USA: How Race Shadows the Nation's Anniversaries, Glaude argues that the danger facing the country is not simply historical ignorance, but a “storybook” version of America that shields us from confronting what is broken underneath. 

While talking about Baldwin, Bellah, Bonhoeffer, Toni Morrison, and the civil rights movement, the two explore the tension between love of country and idolatry of nation, the persistence of racial inequality, and why prophetic truth-telling requires both courage and hope. 

Ultimately, Glaude’s message asks more questions than it answers, but gently ushers us toward love, reconciliation, and redemption at a time when we really need it.

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Reflections on Rededicate 250.

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What a renowned 82-year-old Christian mathematician has to say about a life well lived.

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For decades, Oxford mathematics professor emeritus John Lennox has stood in lecture halls, debate stages, and university classrooms making the case that Christianity is not a retreat from serious thought but an invitation into it. He has debated some of the world’s best-known skeptics, from Richard Dawkins to Christopher Hitchens. He taught mathematics at Oxford. He smuggled Christian teaching behind the Iron Curtain. And now, in his eighties, with his health declining and his world physically growing smaller, he has written a memoir looking back on the strange providences that shaped his life. 

In his new autobiography, My Story: A spiritual and intellectual autobiography, Professor Lennox reflects on growing up amid sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland, actually hearing C. S. Lewis lecture at Cambridge (literally!), being followed by the KGB, and learning over time that saying “I don’t know” can sometimes open deeper doors than feigning certainty.

If you’ve ever wondered whether intellectual seriousness and deep Christian conviction can actually coexist alongside tenderness and joy, step into the classroom: the professor is in.

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My Story: A spiritual and intellectual autobiography- by John Lennox

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