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What does it actually mean to be faithful to Jesus — not just culturally Christian, but genuinely biblical? In this episode of The Deep End, we go deep with Dr. Preston Sprinkle, biblical scholar, author, podcaster, and co-founder of the Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender.
Preston shares how a rigorous study of Scripture led him to unexpected conclusions on two of the most emotionally charged debates in the church today: women in leadership and LGBTQ+ sexuality. We talk about his new book From Genesis to Junior — an honest, real-time exegetical journey through what the Bible actually says about women and church leadership — and why he didn't know where he'd land before he started writing it.
We also get into the nuance behind yes-or-no culture, why "homosexuality is sin" isn't as simple a question as it sounds, the 83% statistic about LGBT people raised in the church, and what pastoral compassion actually looks like when someone asks "Did God make me gay?"
This is a conversation about truth AND grace — not one or the other.
Topics covered:
What faithfulness to Jesus really looks like
The debate over women in church leadership (complementarian vs. egalitarian)
Primogeniture, Genesis 1–3, and what Adam's creation order actually means
Same-sex attraction, celibacy, and navigating hard pastoral questions
Why Preston refuses to give thin answers to thick questions
The danger of cultural Christianity and sound-bite theolog

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I'm excited for this one, fam. Today on The Deep End, I'm sitting down with my brother Country Wayne. Most of the world knows him for the billions of streams, the Netflix specials, and the viral skits that make your "mama's mama" laugh. But when you really look at his history, you see a story that's way deeper and more serious than the comedy he puts out.
We're talking about a man who lost his mom at 11, grew up surrounded by the drug game in Milan, Georgia, and eventually became a "doughboy" himself. But even when he was in the middle of all that, he never let what he was doing shake his faith in who he was.
What We Dive Into:
The Exit Strategy: Wayne talks about how he was trying to get out of the streets the entire time he was in them, eventually picking up a Bible at age 24 and reading it from the beginning.
The Narrow Escape: He shares the wild reality of going viral while still "selling licks" and how he finally quit the game just one day before the feds knocked on his door.
Faith Over Fame: Why he isn't ashamed to scream the name of Jesus and why he feels he's "endorsed" by God rather than the industry.
Real Success: How he manages being a father of 10 and why he puts his business and family's well-being over the hollow parts of fame.
Regrets and Redemption: A transparent look at his biggest regret—not doing what he was supposed to be doing sooner—and how losing his mother taught him that nothing in this world is truly "real" except faith.
"I just laugh through the fire... I knew I had a purpose and I just knew it was always tied to God."
Wayne is a true innovator and a serial entrepreneur who used the skills he learned in the streets to build a kingdom-minded empire. This conversation isn't just about comedy; it's about the grit, wisdom, and divine timing it takes to change your life.
Watch the full episode now to see how Wayne turned a mess into a masterpiece.

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In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with world-renowned Bible teacher, author, and activist Christine Caine. Christine opens up about her powerful journey from being an "unnamed" child in Australia to leading a global movement against human trafficking.
She dives deep into the reality of childhood trauma, the shocking discovery of her adoption at age 33, and how she learned to "rewire" her brain through the Word of God. Whether you are struggling with a "mother wound," navigating disappointment in church leadership, or feeling like you're in your own "Hell Week," this conversation offers a roadmap for moving from survival to a life of true, supernatural flourishing.
In this episode, we discuss:
How to handle the "pain of recovery" after a life-altering injury or trauma.

The difference between a "well-managed life" and a supernatural one.

Why your history does not define your destiny.

Practical wisdom for the next generation of leaders in a social media-driven world.

Why the most fruitful decade of your life might still be ahead of you.



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CHAPTER MARKERS
00:00 Introduction to Christine Caine
02:38 History of Trauma and Resilience
03:33 Growing Up in a Greek Immigrant Home
05:15 The Discovery of Adoption
08:11 Unnamed Number 2508: A Crisis of Identity
09:23 Renewing the Mind through Scripture
11:48 From Numbers to People: The Mission of A21
13:35 Seeking the Biological Mother
15:16 "I Don't Want Any Trouble": A Mother's Voice
19:23 The Pain of Recovery vs. The Pain of Injury
21:42 Breaking Cultural and Family Expectations
27:29 Marriage and Shared Purpose with Nick Caine
34:51 The Wheel and the Oil: Balancing Life
37:17 Avoiding a Well-Managed Life without God
40:51 Having the Faith to Flourish
44:56 Justice Work and the Hope of Christ
52:43 Hell Week: The Choice to Keep Running
57:21 The Danger of Tapping Out at 60
59:42 Navigating Church Failure and Disappointment
01:03:57 Responding Out of Wisdom, Not Wounding
01:14:36 Advice for the Social Media Generation
01:17:03 Deep End Questions: Misconceptions and Prisons
01:23:24 Preparing for the Most Fruitful Decade
01:27:54 Legacy and Handing Over the Baton of Faith
01:31:53 Resources to Help Fight Human Trafficking


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What does it really take to survive marriage, ministry, fame, mental health battles, and faith... all at the same time? In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with gospel icons, actors, and comedians David Mann and Tamela Mann for one of the most raw and honest conversations we've ever had. They open up about their nearly 40-year marriage, childhood trauma, poverty, blended family challenges, public scrutiny, depression, suicidal thoughts, and the faith that held them together when everything else was falling apart. From dumpster-diving as teenagers to standing ovations with Tyler Perry, from silent suffering to healing through therapy and prayer. This is survival, grace, repentance, forgiveness, and love that refuses to quit.

If you've ever wondered:

– How strong marriages are actually built

– What faith looks like in depression, not just success

– How to support a spouse who is drowning silently

– Why therapy and prayer are not enemies

– Or how God redeems the most painful chapters


This conversation is for you.

 
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Chapter Markers
00:00 – When success hides silent suffering
 
01:25 – Introducing David & Tamela Mann
 
03:59 – Authentic faith vs. church perfection
 
05:25 – How their friendship turned into marriage
 
07:58 – Singing together before fame
 
10:27 – Realizing adulthood and responsibility
 
14:23 – Falling in love through friendship
 
16:31 – Childhood trauma and broken homes
 
17:50 – Dumpster diving and survival
 
18:53 – Witnessing abuse and learning anger
 
21:03 – Choosing marriage when divorce felt easier
 
23:13 – The night the lights were shut off
 
26:24 – "The knock at the door" — discovering another child
 
30:02 – Choosing unity over jealousy
 
33:39 – Feeling alone inside marriage
 
37:08 – From Kirk Franklin to Tyler Perry
 
42:36 – When the worst career moment became the best
 
46:26 – Fame, generosity, and trauma behind the scenes
 
49:16 – Working together as husband and wife
 
55:03 – Depression, shame, and suicidal thoughts
 
58:11 – "Thousands watched me drown"
 
59:00 – A wife realizing she missed the warning signs
 
01:01:37 – Therapy, boundaries, and healing
 
01:04:29 – Faith that carries you through the night
 
01:06:19 – Music, success, and staying grounded
 
01:10:48 – Marriage as shared light, not competition
 
01:14:09 – What's next for David & Tamela
 
01:16:21 – Final words of hope and grace
 
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In this special episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with two of his closest friends and longtime collaborators — Trip Lee and Tedashii — for an honest, funny, and deeply reflective conversation about faith, friendship, calling, and the wild journey that brought them here.
They rewind the tape on the early days of 116, talk about what it was really like building something that would later shape an entire movement, and reflect on what they didn't understand at the time — about leadership, influence, pressure, and God's timing.
Along the way, they unpack:
How none of this was part of a master plan — and why that matters
The tension between calling and control
What leadership looks like when you don't actually want to be "the leader"
How God used imperfect people, imperfect theology, and imperfect moments to do something lasting
Why the impact often becomes clear only in the rearview mirror
There are serious moments. There are nostalgic moments. There are hilarious stories (including tour chaos, bad pranks, and arguments that started because everyone was tired and hungry). But underneath it all is a deeper question:
What does it look like to stay faithful over decades — not just seasons?
This episode isn't just about music. It's about friendship that lasts, calling that matures, and a faith that grows deeper as it gets tested by real life.
Whether you've followed these guys since the early 116 days or you're meeting them for the first time, this conversation is a reminder that God rarely writes straight lines — but He does write meaningful stories.
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