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The Overthinkers

Nathan Clarkson & Joseph Holmes
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    What's Wrong with Evangelicals? (With Bonnie Kristian)

    10/19/2026 | 1h 15 mins.
    If there's one thing everyone in America seems to agree on its that they don't like Evangelicals. But why? And is that dislike valid. Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson interview journalist and author Bonnie Kristian about her new book "In Defense of Evangelicalism"

    References and Resources
    David Bebbington’s four-part definition of evangelicalism — conversionism, activism, biblicism, and crucicentrism:
    “Can Evangelicalism Be Defined?” — Crossway

    Pew Research Center’s explanation of how it classifies Americans into the evangelical, mainline, and historically Black Protestant traditions:
    “Religious Identity in the United States” — Pew Research Center

    Pew’s 2023–24 Religious Landscape Study — evangelicals declined from 26.3% of Americans in 2007 to 23.1% in 2023–24; mainline Protestants from 18.1% to 11.5%; historically Black Protestants from 6.9% to 5.4%. Evangelicals simultaneously increased from 51% to 58% of all Protestants:
    2023–24 Religious Landscape Study — Pew Research Center

    Catholics declined from 24% of U.S. adults in 2007 to 19% in the 2023–24 Religious Landscape Study:
    “Religious Identity in the United States” — Pew Research Center

    Ryan Burge’s General Social Survey analysis of long-term changes in American religious affiliation—the analysis referenced in Joseph Holmes’s Sarah’s Oil review:
    “Have We Reached Peak None?” — Ryan Burge, Graphs About Religion

    Joseph Holmes’s earlier discussion of evangelical, mainline, Catholic, and Black Protestant traditions and their changing cultural influence:
    “‘Sarah’s Oil’ Serves Up A Christian Message Aimed At Tackling Racism” — Religion Unplugged

    Michael Luo on Christianity, race, and white supremacy:
    “American Christianity’s White-Supremacy Problem” — The New Yorker

    Jennifer Rubin’s argument that declining white evangelical cultural power has contributed to anti-democratic politics:
    “Why Are White Evangelicals Embracing an Anti-Democratic Movement? Because They’re Panicking.” — The Washington Post

    Mark Noll’s The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind:
    The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind — Eerdmans

    Aaron Renn on the absence of evangelicals from culture-shaping elite institutions:
    “The Problem with the Evangelical Elite” — First Things

    Pew on belief in the God described in the Bible — 91% of evangelicals, 86% of historically Black Protestants, and roughly two-thirds of Catholics and mainline Protestants:
    “Americans’ Spiritual Beliefs” — Pew Research Center

    Websites

    The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world
    Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me
    Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/josephholmes
    Bonnie Kristian:bonniekristian.substack.com
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    Why is Everyone Acting Like an Expert Now? (With Dr. Dannagal G. Young)

    10/12/2026 | 57 mins.
    Why do people fall for online conspiracy theories? Why does everyone speak with authority today as if they're an expert? Why do they dismiss real experts? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson talk to media psychology expert Dr. Dannagal Young.

    References and resources

    America and experts concerned about conspiracy theories and blame the internet: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9299316/

    Social media makes us less informed; traditional news media makes us more informed: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19331681.2021.1969611

    TikTok conspiracy theories in the Lindsy Clancey trial: https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/tiktokers-shown-patrick-clancys-60-174255826.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI_8FGXdItco2yodQtPf4YpBGAV_UHql3N1HCBleD90A1Rn4hO18ttc6zpkJ6b5fMOHN6ZpxacT2n7goU8Oeng7IF56MDsdQrlLcsEs5K6Q-jbhchn8xJ5u5pvJ336u-rWR9c5p9E3AybnMVcjLbKImKIuByG5lcf3oKGPBE8JHf

      Belief in conspiracy theories have not increased over time: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9299316/

    Websites

    The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world
    Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me
    Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/josephholmes
    Dr. Dannagal Young: udel.edu/faculty-staff/experts/dannagal-young/
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    When Should We Go No Contact with Our Families? (With Noelle Mering)

    10/05/2026 | 58 mins.
    Experts say family estrangement is on the rise, even as abuse is not. But why? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with author Noelle Mering the findings of her book "No Contact: How a Seductive Ideology Broke Families and Friendships and How We Can Repair Them"

    References and resources

    Family estrangement on the rise: 

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jan/24/family-estrangement-children-parents-beckhams

    Rates of abuse dropping: https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20251120/incidence-of-child-maltreatment-declined-overall-in-us-from-2012-to-2023

    Why do families get estranged? https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/01/why-parents-and-kids-get-estranged/617612/

    Do we need more boundaries? https://www.ted.com/podcasts/how-to-be-a-better-human/set-boundaries-and-find-peace-w-nedra-glover-tawwab-transcript

    Is calling family estrangement a trend offensive? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/phil-lane-msw-lcsw

    Websites

    The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world
    Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me
    Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee/josephholmes
    Noelle Mering: noellemering.com
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    Why Do We Need Dark Stories? (With Josh Larsen)

    09/28/2026 | 1h 13 mins.
    From Grimms fairy tales to 1984 to the Bible itself, humanity has always told dark stories. But why? What purpose do they serve? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson discuss with film critic, author, and co-host of the "Filmspotting" podcast Josh Larsen.

    Websites

    The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world
    Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me
    Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee.com/josephholmes
    Josh Larsen: larsenonfilm.com
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    Why Do We Need Art? (With Dr. Merideth Hite Estevez)

    09/21/2026 | 54 mins.
    Why do we love art so much? What purpose does art serve for humans? Or is art useless and maybe that's a good thing? Joseph Holmes and Nathan Clarkson talk to author Dr. Merideth Hite Estevez about her new book "Art is How God Loves Us" on The Overthinkers. 

    References and resources

    Does art have health benefits? https://iris.who.int/server/api/core/bitstreams/e1cc8536-773d-446f-9822-8ae376f41415/content

    Can art express things words can’t? https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/langer/

    Is art useless? https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526851-we-can-forgive-a-man-for-making-a-useful-thing

    Is art for therapy? https://www.alaindebotton.com/art/

    Website

    The Overthinkers: theoverthinkersjournal.world
    Nathan Clarkson: nathanclarkson.me
    Joseph Holmes: linktr.ee.com/josephholmes
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About The Overthinkers
A place to have fun thinking deeply! Every week, the hosts of The Overthinkers pose a question having to do with art, faith, philosophy, psychology, literature, pop culture, creativity, and more—then attempt to answer it with the help of New York Times bestselling authors, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists, Oscar-winning Hollywood directors/actors, Grammy-winning musicians, esteemed academics, prolific professors, and many more influential and intriguing guests. This is a place where you can both think well and laugh loudly. All are welcome, so put your thinking caps and your laughing socks on and come on in!
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