Money Unplugged with Chris Hill

Cassie Holmes has spent her career studying how we spend our time and why it may matter more to our happiness than money. But her own relationship with money started with an argument she overheard as a kid.
Cassie is a professor at UCLA's Anderson School of Management and the author of the bestselling book Happier Hour: How to Beat Distraction, Expand Your Time, and Focus on What Matters Most. She talks with Chris Hill about how that early unease shaped her approach to work, spending, and time, as well as:
- A summer job that taught her something her Ivy League education hadn't
- Why her business school colleagues rolled their eyes at studying happiness (and what changed their minds)
- The one thing she spends money on that lines up perfectly with her research
- Her biggest money regret, and why it isn't something she bought
Every Money Unplugged interview is on our YouTube channel, PLUS animated clips of favorite moments from the show!

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Opening clip – “Jim Gaffigan: Comedy Monster”

Worth roughly $200 trillion, the bond market is bigger than the stock market, and  even bigger than the entire banking system. Despite that, most investors barely think about it. Robin Wigglesworth, global finance correspondent and editor of FT Alphaville at the Financial Times, explains why it's the most important financial market of them all.
He talks with Chris Hill about:
- How a car wash taught him to read the fine print
- The market jitters in April 2025 that changed President Trump's mind
- A generational stock investment he almost made as a student
- Career advice you won't believe until you learn it the hard way
Check out Robin’s new book, A Fabulous Debt: The Epic Story of How Bonds Built the Modern World.

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Opening clip – “Heist”

Ian Cassel invests where almost no one else will: companies too small and too illiquid for Wall Street to touch. The founder of MicroCapClub sits down with Chris Hill to share what that world actually looks like from the inside, and why he believes it offers individual investors an edge, as well as:
- The fake identity he invented at 20 to talk his way into a one-on-one meeting with a public company CEO
- What he looks for beyond the financial statements when he meets with a company’s management
- A purchase he made in the depths of the 2009 crash that he still thinks about
- His dad's simple rule about charitable giving that took him a decade to understand
Check out Ian’s new book Stock Picker: How to develop the mindset, temperament, and strategy to outperform Wall Street.

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Opening clip – “Glengarry Glen Ross”

Scott Phillips is the Chief Investment Officer of Motley Fool Australia, host of the podcast Motley Fool Money, and author of the new book The One-Page Investing Plan.
He talks with Chris Hill about how his childhood money habits were shaped by his dad's labeled tobacco tins, and a financial decision in his 20s that still stings, as well as:
- The pay cut he took to become a professional investor
- A decision he and his wife made to prioritize financial peace of mind over maximizing their wealth
- Why the fear of a market crash doesn't get easier with experience
- How the movie Wall Street still holds up after nearly 40 years

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Opening clip – “Wall Street”

When Heather Boneparth was eight years old, her grandfather screamed at her for wanting to give money to a homeless man on the side of the road. Years later, on his deathbed, his parting words to her were "all that matters in this world is your blood and your money."
In a rerun of this fan-favorite episode, Heather (attorney and director of business & legal affairs at Bone Fide Wealth) opens up to Chris Hill about the money lessons she’s spent her adult life trying to unlearn, as well as:
- The importance of sticking your neck out for people
- An event that made her feel back in control of her financial life
- Why interviewing relationship experts for her book felt like "two hours of free therapy"
- The best TV series about money
Check out Heather's book Money Together.
Opening clip – “Your Friend, Nate Bargatze”