Animal Behavior Conversations: The Podcast of The ABMA

• 74: The Behaviors of Leadership at Any Level - A Live Panel Recording from the ABMA 2025 Virtual Conference

  This episode continues on "The Behaviors of..." series which dives into the people side of the animal care field. This episode, is a live panel recording from the 2025 ABMA Virtual Conference with live submitted questions from conference attendees. The panelists include leaders at all levels of animal care from keepers to curators to executive directors which give a holistic view and advice on what leadership can look like at any level in the animal care field. The panelist are Chris Jenkins, Clint Lusardi, Darren Minier, Julie Grove, Missy Lamar, Sandy Jabas, Shea Eaves, Stephanie Joe, Torianna Green, and Trelle Dandridge. Instead of the traditional "Training Tales", to end the episode the panelist provide their "Leadership Resource List" which can be found at the end of this episode's description. For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠ 4:40 Introductions to the panelists and what does leadership mean to you? 22:45 Approaching management to encourage someone to take on a responsibility so that other coworkers feel motivated, seen, and heard 33:30 As a leader, when growing and supporting a newer leader that struggles with communication and tone, how do you best allow them to practice those skills without damaging relationships 52:20 What are the challenges of leading your peers and how do you overcome those challenges? 59:15 What advice do you have for a leader to hold their team accountable so that they are raising the team up to a higher standard instead of brining the higher achievers down to a lower standard? 1:04:20 What does it look like when a leader creates “a safe environment”? 1:09:25 What advice do you have for those who are leading amongst their peers? 1:26:20 How do you work around the thought of “You’re not my boss” when you are trying to be a leader at any level 1:33:10 For those who do not have the authority or responsibility of changing disciplinary action plans for a larger organization, what are some small changes we can make in our teams in order to model “Just Culture” 1:40:00 “Leadership Resource List” “Leading Without Authority” by Keith Ferrazi “It’s Your Ship” by Captain Michael Abrashoff “Crucial Conversations” “Just Culture” “Radical Candor” by Kim Scott

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• 73: Pets For Vets - ABMA's 2025 Premier Sponsor

  This is a very special episode where we highlight ABMA’s 2025 Premier Sponsor: Pets for Vets with the organization’s founder and executive director Clarissa Black.  Clarissa starts by discussing how the organization was formed, what the organization does, and their very important mission.  She then gives information on how trainers can get involved with the organization and the process for applying for a pet while sharing some incredible and life-changing success stories.  Clarissa finishes the conversation by giving advice and learning into the world of therapy pet training and examples of some of the incredible training that is accomplished.  Stay tuned in for Clarissa’s "Training Tale" of teaching her puppy appropriate social interactions using a stuffed panda bear. If you would like to see a picture of Bear, the dog who inspired Clarissa to develop Pets For Vets, check out ABMA's social media channels! For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠.  To contact Clarissa email [email protected] and to learn more about Pets for Vets and how you can get involved visit https://petsforvets.com/3:10 Intro to Clarissa Black 6:30 Overview and mission of Pets for Vets 10:20 How to get involved as a trainer 11:30 Success Stories 16:00 The process of choosing the specific pet for each veteran 18:50 How to apply for a pet 20:10 How to start your pet training journey 25:20 Lessons learned from zoological training that apply to pet training 30:35 Difference in training with animals that share our (home) environment 32:34 Nightmare training and other examples of training with therapy pets 38:55 Reciprocal expression and perception of behavior 45:05 Common challenges when training therapy dogs and other pets 51:00 “Training Tales” 

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• 72: Getting "Unstuck" in Training with Ryan Cartlidge, Animal Training Academy (ATA)

  This episode Ryan Cartlidge, Animal Training Academy, discusses how to get “unstuck” in training. Ryan starts the episode by operationalizing what getting “stuck” in training may look like and the process of thinking “How do I get unstuck?”  Ryan breaks down this process into three steps 1. Building a tool kit of knowledge 2. Having the Courage to Act and 3. Having the Systems for Learning in place. Throughout the entire episode Ryan details multiple tactics and learnings that can assist in getting unstuck such as understanding reinforcement systems, videoing your training sessions, utilizing flowcharts, and so much more!   Stay tuned in for Ryan’s very unique "Training Tale" in which he was the learner. For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Ryan and to learn more about Animal Training Academy connect with the organization in any way below: Email >>> Website >>> www.atamember.comInstagram >>> https://www.instagram.com/animal_training_academy/?hl=enFacebook >>> https://www.facebook.com/animaltrainingacademy/If interested follow the link to a free month of ATA.  Sign up for 30 free days of ATA membership and then after that time period, you can roll into a full membership. >>> https://atamember.com/thanks-for-subscribing/6:20 Introduction to Ryan Cartlidge 12:35 Information about Animal Training Academy 16:00 What does it mean when we feel “stuck” in training 25:10 Starting the process of thinking “How do I get unstuck”?32:50 Building a tool kit of knowledge and skills1:00:40 Having the courage to act1:15:10 Having the systems for learning in place 1:27:45 “Training Tale” 

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• 71: The Behaviors of a Unified and Supportive Team - Part 2 with Dave O'Connell, Bearizona

  This episode continues on "The Behaviors of..." series which dives into the people side of the animal care field. This episode, which is a continuation of episode 29, Dave O’Connell, Bearizona, discusses “The Behaviors of a Unified and Supportive Team”.  The biggest takeaway from the entire episode is that one of the most important behaviors of a supportive team is the ability to talk with another.  Through talking with one another we are able to create shared team goals, disagree in a productive and positive manner, give and receive growth minded feedback, and provide effective corrective feedback.  Dave discusses that the behaviors of effective feedback include being timely, being specific, and being kind.  Dave finishes off the learning by talking about the behaviors of creating supportive and growth-minded team culture. Stay tuned in for Dave’s  "Training Tale" about how the Bearizona team continues their learning journey through “Lunch and Learns”. For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Dave email [email protected] more information on the ABMA’s virtual conference visit this link: ⁠https://www.theabma.org/virtual-conference⁠To submit an abstract for the ABMA 2026 annual conference visit this link: ⁠https://www.theabma.org/abma-annual-conference4:50 Introduction to Dave O’Connell 13:25 Creating shared goals 20:50 How to disagree well? 25:20 The behaviors of a team with a growth mindset 29:30 Giving and receiving constructive, growth-based feedback 41:20 Giving effective corrective feedback? 47:25 Advice for approaching leadership with feedback and suggestions? 55:15 The behaviors of a team with a unified and supportive culture1:03:00 “Training Tales”

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• 70: Chaining & Behavior Chains with Justin Garner, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay

  This episode Justin Garner, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, provides some great learning on behavior chains and the process of chaining.  Justin starts by breaking down the process of chaining while giving practical application examples.  The discussion then dives into how a behavior chain works and dissects what it means for each behavior in the chain to serve as both a discriminative stimulus and a conditioned reinforcer.  Justin then explains the difference between backward and forward chaining and why it is recommended to utilize backward chaining.  The discussion ends with advice on preventing behavior chain breakdown and an explanation on the difference between shaping and chaining.  Stay tuned in for Justin’s  "Training Tale" about a team and a mob of macropods reaching new heights in training.  For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠For more information on the ABMA’s virtual conference visit this link: https://www.theabma.org/virtual-conferenceTo submit an abstract for the ABMA 2026 annual conference visit this link: https://www.theabma.org/abma-annual-conferenceTo complete the podcast feedback survey visit this link: ⁠⁠https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/sv/Rspt0Bk/abcpodcast2025⁠⁠1:30 Upcoming ABMA offerings 5:35 Definition and practical application of chaining and behavior chains15:30 Backward chaining 22:35 Forward chaining 26:15 Recommendation to utilize backward chaining31:15 Advice on preventing behavior chain breakdowns 33:50 The difference between chaining and shaping 38:50 “Training Tales” 

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