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Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

Zach Abramowitz
Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted
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  • Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

    E41 - The Future of AI is People: Legal Quants Founders Jamie Tso & Raymond Sun

    03/03/2026 | 1h 17 mins.
    What if AI doesn’t just replace software, but shifts the value of a tech company from the product to the people? That’s the real shift hiding in plain sight. As the models get better and cheaper, the product layer starts to collapse. And when that happens, the leverage doesn’t sit with whoever licensed the right platform. It sits with the lawyers who understand what’s happening underneath, the ones building their own workflows, configuring the models directly, and rethinking how legal work is produced in the first place. This isn’t about another AI tool. It’s about agency. It’s about moving from billing time to designing systems. And the gap forming right now between lawyers who experiment and lawyers who hesitate is going to matter a lot more than the next headline valuation.

    In this episode:

    We’re probably focused on the wrong layer

    As the models improve, the product matters less

    Leverage is shifting toward lawyers willing to build

    This isn’t about adopting AI - it’s about agency

    The gap forming right now is going to compound

    References:
    Legal Quants - https://www.legalquants.com/
     
    Learn More:
    Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
     
    Follow Along:
    Jamie - https://hk.linkedin.com/in/jttso
    Raymond - https://au.linkedin.com/in/raymond-sun-64576a122
    Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
  • Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

    E40 - Lawyer Value in an AI World: Litigator, Coder & AI Evangelist Damien Riehl

    02/25/2026 | 41 mins.
    What does it mean to be a valuable lawyer in the age of AI? In this episode, Zach sits down with litigator, technologist, and AI evangelist Damien Riehl to explore how legal expertise evolves, not disappears, in a world of generative models and automation. From his unique path as both a practicing attorney and self-taught coder to his widely discussed “All the Music” project, Damien argues that the future belongs to lawyers who understand systems, leverage technology, and rethink what clients actually pay for. This is a conversation about professional reinvention, leverage, and why AI may amplify - rather than replace - the best lawyers.

     

    In this episode:

    Why AI changes how lawyers deliver value, but not why they matter

    The advantage of lawyers who can code (or at least think like engineers)

    Damien’s “All the Music” project and what it reveals about IP systems

    The difference between automation and augmentation in legal work

    How litigators should think about AI tools today

    Why understanding technology is becoming table stakes for legal credibility

    What the next generation of high-value lawyers will look like

    Learn More:
    Damien - https://www.ted.com/speakers/damien_riehl
    Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
     
    Follow Along:
    Damien -  https://www.linkedin.com/in/damienriehl
    Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
  • Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

    E39 - AI vs Legacy SaaS in Legal: Min-Kyu Jung, CEO Ivo

    02/19/2026 | 52 mins.
    Zach sits down with Min-Kyu Jung, founder of Ivo, to unpack one of the most honest AI startup stories in legal tech. This episode explores what it really takes to pivot in an AI revolution, why CLM may be in trouble, and how in-house legal teams are rethinking ROI in the age of AI.

    In this episode:

    Why Ivo scrapped its original product to go all-in on LLMs

    The “innovator’s dilemma” facing legacy CLM vendors

    Why in-house legal and law firms are fundamentally different AI markets

    How AI playbooks and redlining actually create ROI

    The shift from “adoption” to measurable business impact

    Why speed often matters more than accuracy in AI UX

    How contract intelligence is becoming CLM 2.0

    Learn More:
    Min-Kyu - https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/alumni/our-alumni/40-under-40/a-z-list-of-profiles/min-kyu-jung.html
    Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
     
    Follow Along:
    Min-Kyu -  https://www.linkedin.com/in/min-kyu-jung
    Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
  • Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

    E38 - How Will SaaSpocalypse Affect AI For Legal: Spellbook CEO Scott Stevenson

    02/12/2026 | 1h
    Zach checks in with second-time guest, Spellbook CEO, Scott Stevenson for a wide ranging conversation on some of the hottest topics of the day:

    Why positioning AI for Legal as a two horse race is deeply flawed

    The benefits of selling direct to lawyers as opposed to Chief Innovation Officers

    In-house legal buyers versus law firms

    BigLaw versus small and medium size law firms

    How AI Startups will need to contend with the SaaSpocalypse
     

    Learn More:
    Scott - https://www.spellbook.legal/
    Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
     
    Follow Along:
    Scott -  https://x.com/scottastevenson?s=20
    Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
  • Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

    E37 - Zach and Richard’s Excellent Legal AI Adventure: Claude and the Legaltech Apocalypse

    02/05/2026 | 41 mins.
    Zach reunites with Richard Tromans of Artificial Lawyer for another wide-ranging Legal AI Adventure, breaking down what it really means now that major AI players like Anthropic are officially entering the legal market. From the impact on commoditized legal AI tools to the rise of vibe coding, agentic workflows, and the looming decline of legacy legal tech implementations, Zach and Richard explore where legal AI is heading, and where lawyers should (and shouldn’t) be placing their bets as the industry moves toward an AI 2.0 era.
     

    In this episode:

    Will LLMs Kill LegalAI or Legacy SaaS

    Vibe coding vs enterprise software

    Generic AI versus Legal Applications

    Implementations are a grift

    The limits of automation

    What will AI 2.0 mean for lawyers?

    Learn More:
    Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/
    Richard - tromansconsulting.com, artificiallawyer.com
     
    Follow Along:
    Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz

    Richard - linkedin.com/in/artificiallawyer, https://x.com/ArtificialLawya

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About Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

My name is Zach Abramowitz and I am Legally Disrupted. This podcast covers the trends disrupting the legal profession. Once a mild mannered practicing attorney, I now am an entrepreneur and investor in disruptive legal startups. My company, Killer Whale Strategies, helps law firms, legal departments, and anyone else capitalize on the wave of disruption sweeping over the legal industry. Join me as I spotlight key players, significant trends, and innovative companies who are shaking up an age old profession.
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