The Retirement and IRA Show

Chris’s SummaryJim and I are joined by Steve Sansone as we revisit Cash Balance Plans and respond to listener follow-up emails.

(8:30) A CPA asks whether cash balance plans could be a fit for farmers with high income near retirement driven by deferred grain and equipment sales.(18:30) A listener with two controlled-group businesses asks how a cash balance plan works with divergent profit cycles, whether it can support succession planning, and whether it makes sense if ownership works until death.(36:45) A financial advisor asks for real-world details on costs, duplication/administration, duration, interest crediting rate risk, investment management, participant inclusion decisions, partner exits, lifetime maximums, and terminate/restart mechanics.

Jim’s “Pithy” SummaryChris and I are joined by Steve Sansone as we dig back into cash balance plans, but this time we’re doing it by letting listener questions drive the conversation. We take three listener emails that each come at this from a different angle: one from a CPA working with farmers facing lumpy income near retirement, one from a family dealing with two controlled-group businesses that don’t behave the same way financially, and one from an advisor who’s basically saying, “Convince me this isn’t just theoretical.”

Chris and I talk with Steve about what makes these plans work and what makes them a headache—cash flow consistency, the “permanence” expectation, why manufacturers with lots of employees can be a tough fit, and how quickly the math changes when you have to fund meaningful benefits for staff. We also get into the stuff people don’t always hear in the sales pitch: what “interest crediting” really means, where the risk lives if returns don’t cooperate, and why newer market-rate designs change the conversation compared to older fixed-rate versions.

And we cover the messy real-life questions: what happens when partners leave, what it looks like to terminate and restart a plan, and why you can’t treat this like an investment strategy with a neat five-to-ten-year horizon. It’s a tax and retirement-acceleration tool with rules, tradeoffs, and guardrails—and Steve does a solid job laying out when it’s worth the complexity and when it’s just not.

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Jim and Chris discuss listener emails on IRMAA appeals using Form SSA-44, avoiding the 10% early withdrawal penalty, and whether a 403(b) distribution can be rolled into an IRA. Jim also manages to turn a discussion on Superbowl food to a conversation on retirement planning for the Go-Go phase of life (with a few other stops in between). So, if you typically skip the banter you may want to tune in around (10:10) for that discussion.

(16:30) George shares his experience repeatedly filing Form SSA-44 to correct IRMAA determinations and explains how Social Security processed and applied his updated income information.

(35:00) A listener asks whether a qualified annuity can be used instead of a 72(t) series of substantially equal periodic payments to avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

(1:04:45) The guys discuss whether 403(b) distributions can be completed as 60-day rollovers into Traditional and Roth IRAs, and whether a custodian could refuse to accept the rollover.

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Chris’s SummaryJim and I discuss spending anxiety in retirement using a Washington Post article written by a personal finance columnist describing her fear of spending after her husband retires. We look at why the shift from saving to spending can feel destabilizing even when pensions and Social Security are in place, and why fear can persist despite adequate planning. We also address the difference between spending income and spending savings, and how that distinction often affects behavior once retirement begins.

Jim’s “Pithy” SummaryChris and I use a Washington Post article as a jumping-off point to talk about the moment retirement stops being theoretical and the fear around spending often shows up. The part that stuck with me in this situation is that nothing went wrong. One spouse retires. The other is still working. Pensions are there. Social Security is there. The house is paid off. And the fear shows up anyway. That’s what made me save the article in the first place. She writes about personal finance for a living, and she’s still cutting small expenses, feeling better for five minutes, and then right back to worrying. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again—I don’t expect to be immune to that when it’s my turn.

What keeps coming up for me is how differently people react to where the money comes from. Most people are comfortable spending a pension check or a Social Security deposit. It’s like a bottomless cup of coffee—you don’t think about the last sip because another one’s coming. But savings? That’s different. Even when the math works, even when the plan says you’re fine, drawing from something you’ve built for decades feels heavier. That’s where the spending anxiety shows up. Spending slows down. Decisions get second-guessed. Things get pushed out a year at a time. Not because people can’t afford them, but because the shift from saving to spending is uncomfortable.

Show Notes: Article: My husband just retired. I’m scared of running out of money.

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Jim and Chris discuss listener emails on Social Security timing for HSA contributions, investing in a SPIA vs buffered ETFs, and using SEPP 72(t) income to manage ACA credits.(7:00) A listener describes delaying a Social Security filing to avoid Medicare Part A backdating that would have reduced prior-year HSA contributions, while still receiving full retroactive benefits.(28:00) Georgette asks what to do with money originally set aside for a condo purchase, weighing ETFs against buying a single premium immediate annuity (SPIA), given an existing fixed indexed annuity (FIA), and pension income that cover living expenses.(55:45) The guys address whether a SPIA purchased inside a rollover IRA can be used to satisfy SEPP 72(t) rules while keeping income low enough to preserve max ACA credits.

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If you’d like to skip over the guys chatting about cold weather and football you can to (8:15).

Chris’s SummaryJim and I are joined by Jacob as we continue our discussion on asset positioning and explain how we approach managing investment assets within a distribution portfolio. We outline why dollars are assigned based on purpose and timing and how asset positioning functions as a form of asset-liability matching. The episode addresses cash versus cash-like roles, outcome periods, and how specific tools are evaluated within a broader distribution-focused framework.

Jim’s “Pithy” Summary

Chris and I are joined by Jacob as we dig further into how we think about handling portfolios once people are in retirement, specifically through the lens of asset positioning. This episode is built around clarifying how dollars get assigned jobs based on when they’ll be needed and why that sequencing drives the structure of a distribution portfolio.

We spend time breaking down the difference between cash and cash-like holdings and why that distinction matters when money is earmarked for different time horizons. A big part of the discussion centers on outcome periods, how certain tools behave between start and finish, and why mark-to-market pricing during that window can be misleading if you don’t understand what the holding is meant to do. Jacob walks through concrete examples that show how interim movement can look unsettling even when the structure is functioning exactly as designed.

We also get into why disclosure language sounds the way it does across virtually every type of holding, including ones most people are comfortable calling cash. The point isn’t semantics — it’s understanding the gap between legal language and functional role inside a portfolio. Everything ties back to structure, timing, and purpose. This is about how distribution portfolios actually operate in retirement, and why evaluating them with the wrong expectations creates confusion that doesn’t need to be there.

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