Decoder with Nilay Patel

We’ve got the first of a two-part series on the systems that run the world: I’m talking today with Bart Butler, the CTO of Proton, the company that makes private and secure productivity software.

There’s a lot of big Decoder themes in this one. That includes how Proton has structured its ownership and architected its products to align its incentives with protecting users. At the same time, Proton faces new challenges and pressures, both at home in Switzerland and from the EU and US government that are putting its values to the test.

Links:

Proton now offers an entire bundle of office services | The Verge

Proton Mail helped FBI unmask anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ protester | 404Media

Proton says it will leave Switzerland if this controversial law Is passed | Vice

Age verification is a mess but we’re doing it anyway | The Verge

Let’s build a children’s public internet | The Verge

Let me see some ID: age verification is spreading across the internet | The Verge

Why Chat Control 1.0 is the EU's most Orwellian law yet | Euronews

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Nvidia is obviously in the news constantly because of the AI boom — but it's also a major supplier to the entire auto industry As head of Nvidia's automotive division, Xinzhou Wu has a front-row seat to all the challenges EVs and autonomous vehicles are facing, especially in the US.

And of course, you can’t talk about electric cars or vehicle autonomy in the US without talking about Elon Musk and Tesla. So I asked Xinzhou pretty directly if Tesla full self driving can actually do what Elon claims it will be able to do without using LiDAR. You tell me if you think his answer holds up.

Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

Links:

Nvidia’s head of autonomous driving opens up about his plans | The Verge

Hyundai, Nissan, BYD, and Geely Join Nvidia’s Level 4 | MotorTrend

Nvidia, auto suppliers roll out partnerships to rekindle self-driving | Reuters

Meet Alpamayo, Nvidia’s new AI model for autonomous cars | Forbes

I tested Nvidia’s FSD competitor — Tesla should be worried | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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My guest today is Peter Kafka, chief correspondent at Business Insider and host of Channels, a podcast about the media industry. And it’s a big week for the media industry — Comcast just announced that it’s splitting itself up, into the Comcast broadband company and the NBCUniversal entertainment company.

This dream, that you can combine distribution with big splashy entertainment properties, has failed time and again. But Comcast tried the content plus pipes strategy for longer than most. So Peter and I discussed what happened in the media and broadband industries over the last 15 years, and what might happen next.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links:

Comcast is cutting NBCUniversal loose | Business Insider

Comcast’s split could make or break Peacock | The Verge

Comcast and NBCUniversal will go it alone. But for how long? | NYT

Comcast split shows bigger is no longer better | Deadline

A cable scion’s hardest deal yet: breaking up his family’s company | WSJ

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Today I’m talking with Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky, who run the Creators Division at United Talent Agency. UTA is an enormous talent agency, and Ali and Raina's creators division represents some of the biggest creators and influencers in the world.

So I really wanted to know how Raina and Ali identify up-and-coming talent, how they work with that talent to build durable businesses, and what the machinations of being a top creator actually look like in practice.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links:

The power brokers behind the $250B influencer economy | Wall Street Journal

The Influencer Cliff | Carmen Vicente (TikTok)

UTA Unveils Upscale Office for Creators | The Hollywood Reporter

YouTube Stars Breach Hollywood’s Most Gilded Gate | New York Times

CAA, TPG form holding company to acquire creator-led businesses | Variety

How creator talent agencies are evolving into multi-platform operators | Digiday

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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We’ve got a special Decoder today. I had the chance to talk with Amy Lanzi, the CEO of Digitas North America, in front of a live audience at the Uber villa at the Cannes Lions advertising festival in the south of France.

There’s a lot in this one on AI, the creator economy, and the future of marketing – like I said, Amy is as sharp as they come, and I really enjoy talking to her about how the money really works.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

The Influencer Cliff | Carmen Vicente (TikTok)

The Wrong Promises | Publicis Groupe (YouTube)

You can just tell the Instagram algorithm what you want now | The Verge

How brands and creators are fighting for your attention and money | Decoder (2025)

How influencers are changing advertising, with Digitas’ Amy Lanzi | Decoder (2024)

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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