That One Time with Adam Metwally

Joel Kocher is a former Dell president who helped scale the company from $100 million in revenue to a global Fortune 500 powerhouse in just five years, working directly alongside Michael Dell during one of the most intense growth periods in tech history. In this conversation, Joel tells the full story of the day Steve Jobs shut down his company and why he told Jobs to “go f*ck himself,” before later receiving a call where Jobs admitted he was wrong. We unpack the real cost of elite success, why what gets you to $300 million will make you fail at $3 billion, how obsession with exits destroys companies, and the non-negotiable role people play in long-term success. Joel also explains how he went on to build a $200M+ health brand backed by clinical science, why cardiovascular health is the foundation of longevity, and how his arteries test decades younger than his biological age.
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💭 ABOUT US:
Each week I dive into the lives, habits, and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world, with the goal of extracting actionable insights for everyday life.
The podcast focuses on the pillars of health, wealth, and wisdom through in-depth, honest conversations with people taking on the world in their own way.
Hosted by Adam Metwally – @meetwally
Produced by Joe Fowler – @joeefowler
🎶 Music:
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Introducing Joel Kocher...
Joel Kocher is an American entrepreneur and former top executive at Dell, where he rose to the number two role under Michael Dell and helped drive the company from under $100 million in revenue into the Fortune 500 during its hyper-growth years. He left corporate tech and co-founded Humann, a functional nutrition company built around nitric oxide science and cardiovascular health, where he is now CEO.
Humann is best known for products like SuperBeets and has invested in multiple clinical studies, while being recognised on the Inc. 5000 list for many years and winning industry awards for its science-driven approach. Outside business, Joel is a long-time endurance and ocean sport athlete, known for distance paddle boarding and open-water adventures, which fits the shark story he shared on the show.
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🕒 TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 3 biggest causes of poor cardiovascular health
0:27 3 biggest consequences of poor cardiovascular health
0:49 Best ways to improve cardiovascular health
1:49 1998 Nobel Prize in Medicine
2:27 Business lessons learned from Michael Dell
3:32 Most important lesson as a business owner
4:26 The 70% decision-making rule
5:17 Biggest myth in the supplement industry
6:31 Entrepreneur vs C-suite operator
6:48 Best piece of advice ever received
6:59 Nicest thing someone has done for you
7:11 Craziest “wait what?!” story
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💭 ABOUT US:
Each week, I deep dive into the lives, habits, and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world, teasing out their curiosities and aiming to provide actionable insights for your day-to-day life.
The podcast focuses on the pillars of health, wealth, and wisdom. Each episode is an in-depth, honest conversation with a unique individual taking on the world in their own way.
Expect episodes on business, marketing, health, spirituality, biohacking, mindset, content creation, and more.
Hosted by Adam Metwally – @meetwally
Produced by Joe Fowler – @joeefowler
🎶 Music:
By HNNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r3Paw23_eQ

Today Adam sits down with Timm Chiusano. Timm is an Emmy‑winning former Fortune 100 creative executive turned writer and creator who now teaches appreciation, leadership and work‑life sanity to millions online.
In this conversation Timm breaks down the idea of getting “addicted to appreciation” – the daily practice that helped him lead 240 people at a Fortune 100 company, walk away from a ~$700k salary, and build a life that actually feels good, not just looks good.
We go deep on how a single line from his mum – “you have two choices in life, a good time or a bad time” – carried his family through addiction, cancer and career setbacks, and how that same mindset can change how you see your own problems today.
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🕒 Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:05 Timm's early years
8:01 How to have the best day humanely possible
16:24 Trying too hard
28:58 Changing mindsets at scale
32:22 The 12 hour walk
39:13 Timm's content
52:37 Appreciation vs gratitude
1:04:42 Appreciation and kindness
1:30:25 Philosophical questions
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💭 About us:
Each week I’ll be deep diving into the lives, habits and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world, teasing out their curiosities and aiming to provide actionable insights for your day-to-day life.
The podcast focusses on the pillars of health, wealth and wisdom, and each episode is an in-depth, vulnerable conversation with a unique individual taking on the world in their own way.
Expect episodes on business, marketing, health, spirituality, biohacking, mindset, content creation and more!
Hosted by Adam Metwally – https://www.instagram.com/meetwally/
Produced by Joe Fowler – https://www.instagram.com/joeefowler/
🎶 Music:
By — HNNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r3Paw23_eQ

Introducing Timm Chiusano...
Timm Chiusano is an Emmy award winning creative leader and former Spectrum Reach vice president who built and led a large in house creative team for a Fortune 100 media company. After his short videos about work, family and mindset attracted over a million followers, he left corporate life to focus on writing, speaking and creating content about appreciation, leadership and building a good life.
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🕒 TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Why should people wear suits everyday?
0:34 How do you have time for everything?
1:09 Most important storytelling lessons
1:50 5 minute appreciation practice
2:27 Why is running good for the soul?
2:41 Is there any point in going to college?
3:16 5 rules for thriving in any company?
3:50 Weirdest productivity hack?
4:13 Why did you fire yourself from a $700,000 job?
4:36 Best piece of advice you've ever received?
5:04 Nicest thing someone has done for you?
5:34 Most famous persons contact?
5:47 Strangest compliment
6:24 Craziest "Holy Sh*t" story
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💭 ABOUT US:
Each week I’ll be deep diving into the lives, habits and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world, teasing out their curiosities and aiming to provide actionable insights for your day to day life.
The podcast focusses on the pillars of health, wealth and wisdom, and each episode is an in depth, vulnerable conversation with a unique individual taking on the world in their own way.
Expect episodes on business, marketing, health, spirituality, biohacking, mindset, content creation and more!
Hosted by Adam Metwally (@meetwally)
Produced by Joe Fowler (@joeefowler).
🎶 Music:
By - HNNY
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Adam sits down with Brett Conti, a world-travelling YouTuber and entrepreneur who has built a life most people only dream about. Brett breaks down how he actually gets paid to travel, from credit card and airline point strategies to flying business and first class without paying full price, while sharing insane travel stories, close calls abroad, and the reality behind the highlight reel. They also unpack the pressure of content creation, why New York still matters, and how Brett is building his newest business while staying fully nomadic, offering a rare, honest look at what it really takes to design a life around freedom, travel, and impact.
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🕒 TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
2:07 Most dangerous travel experience
4:39 Swimming from Asia to Europe
8:16 The not-so-glamorous side of travel
20:09 Luxury travel hacks + stories
39:32 Misconceptions about full-time travel
42:09 How to travel cheap
49:42 The algorithm
55:37 Beleaf Tea
1:03:20 Entrepreneur tips
1:07:17 NYC, the best city in the world
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ABOUT THE SHOW:
Each week, Adam Metwally dives into the lives, habits, and lessons of some of the most interesting people in the world, across health, wealth, and wisdom. Expect honest conversations on business, mindset, content creation, spirituality, biohacking, and modern life.
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