Teach the Babies w/ Dr. David J. Johns

What does it mean to tell a Black boy “I love you”—period? Not “love, bro.” Not “love you, big dog.” Just: I love you.

That question sits at the heart of this conversation between Dr. David J. Johns and Phil Agnew, Dream Defenders co-founder, community organizer, and co-author of P.S. Eye Value You, a children’s book created with Brandon Vega and artist Damon Davis through their imprint Black House Publishing.

Phil talks about what it took to write a book he desperately needed as a child—and still needs now. He shares the full story of Roots Bookstore & Market in Liberty City, born from grief, spirit, and a stranger’s unexpected email. He names exactly what’s happening when patriarchy repackages itself for the algorithm and spends billions to recruit brothers away from their own freedom. And he offers what he calls “models for new ways of being”—not because it’s politically correct, but because the old ways never made anyone happy.

Phil’s peace right now? Real, hard-fought, and honest. His message to the tired brother? The transition will be clunky, but it’s so great over here.

Class is in session. Pull up.

SHOW NOTES
Resources & References
P.S. Eye Value You
A children’s book by Phil Agnew, Brandon Vega, and Damon Davis, published through their imprint Black House Publishing. Told through poetry and illustration, it is a love letter to Black boys learning themselves in a world that doesn’t always see them clearly. pseyevalueyou.com
Roots Bookstore & Market
A Black-owned bookstore at 6610 NW 15th Avenue in Liberty City, Miami, Florida. Seeded in part from the personal library of Barney Agnew—Phil and Danny’s father, known on Chicago’s South Side as “Barney the Bookman” (a former Jeopardy contestant). Open Tuesday–Saturday. rootsbookstore.com
Black Men Build
A national organization co-founded by Phil Agnew in 2020 that brings Black men into the movement for racial, social, and gender justice through political education, mutual aid, mass meetings, and men’s circles. Publishes WARTIME, a digital and print magazine. Chapters throughout the country. blackmen.build
Dream Defenders
A Florida-based human rights organization co-founded by Phil Agnew in 2012, dedicated to ending policing and abolishing prisons through multi-racial organizing. Rose to national prominence following the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin. dreamdefenders.org

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In case you missed it, this episode is a re-release of an amazing conversation with Dr. Christina Grant.

Andre 3000 told us the South has something to say, and Dr. Christina Greer wants us to heed the lessons that Black women political leaders from the South are teaching us. Dr. Greer stops by the class to talk about her latest publication, “How to Build a Democracy. From Fannie Lou Hamer and Barbara Jordan to Stacey Abrams,” and what it means to grow beyond fear, to build upon foundations established by our ancestors, being prepared to thrive at Historically White Colleges and Universities, the importance of political tithing and not waiting for America to grow up fully–she may never.  

How to Build a Democracy. From Fannie Lou Hamer and Barbara Jordan to Stacey Abrams https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/how-to-build-a-democracy/F34AB82F40A6FFD835D39C8AF46DA530 

Instagram: @dr_cmgreer

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Dr. Bianca Baldridge is back in the class—and this time she brought her new book.

Associate Professor of Education at Harvard University and former youth worker for over two decades, Dr. Baldridge has spent her career shining light on the spaces where Black children are seen, held, and loved outside of school walls. Her new book, Laboring in the Shadows: Precarity and Promise in Black Youth Work (Stanford University Press, 2026), is one of the most necessary things I have read in years. I don't do courtesy. I do testimony.

There are an estimated 2.53 million youth workers in this country. Young people spend only 18% of their waking hours in school. And yet we have no national youth policy. No floor. No framework. No "do good and be paid well."

This conversation changes that. Pull up.

Books
Laboring in the Shadows: Precarity and Promise in Black Youth Work — Stanford University Press (February 2026)
Publisher page & order: sup.org/books/sociology/laboring-shadows 
Reclaiming Community: Race and the Uncertain Future of Youth Work — Stanford University Press (2019)
2019 American Educational Studies Association Critics' Choice Book Award
Previous Episode
And We Still Keep Fighting — Teach the Babies w/ Dr. David J. Johns (July 2, 2024)

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Dreisen Heath doesn't do sequencing. She doesn't want the appetizer. She doesn't want to wait for the main course. She wants the whole menu—reparations legislation, economic justice, striking the punishment clause from the 13th Amendment, restored benefits for Black veterans, and protected Black history and cultural institutions. All of it. All at once.

In this episode, Dr. David Johns sits down with Dreisen Heath—reparations researcher, movement strategist, and founder and executive director of the Why We Can't Wait Reparations Network—in the wake of Equity Week in Washington, D.C. Together, they unpack what it meant to convene the Congressional Black Caucus, stand on the House Triangle alongside Rep. Ayanna Pressley, Rep. Summer Lee, Rep. Al Green, and dozens of partner organizations, and then walk through the reparative justice display at the Library of Congress—all ahead of Juneteenth and America's 250th anniversary.

Dr. Heath breaks down what the infrastructure of repair actually means in practice—and exactly how the current administration is gutting it. She connects the dismantling of DEI offices and the DOJ Civil Rights Division to the accumulation of unpaid debt to Black Americans, and makes the case for why this moment demands more urgency, not less.

This is Freedom Summer. The babies are watching. The question is whether we'll show up.

Legislation ReferencedH.R.40 — Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans, currently led by Rep. Ayanna Pressley
S.40 — Senate companion bill, currently carried by Sen. Cory Booker
The HEAR Act (H.R.40's Senate counterpart in earlier sessions)
13th Amendment punishment clause — legislation to strike the exception allowing forced labor as criminal punishment
Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act (passed 2022; first introduced 1900)

Organizations and CoalitionsWhy We Can't Wait Reparations Network — whywecantwaitreparations.org 
NBJC — National Black Justice Collective — nbjc.org 
United By Equity — unitedbyequity.org
N'COBRA — National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America
Black Veterans Project
Black Voters Matter Fund
Children's Defense Fund
National Action Network

People ReferencedRep. Ayanna Pressley — lead sponsor, H.R.40
Sen. Cory Booker — lead sponsor, S.40
Rep. Summer Lee — co-sponsor; carrying forward legislation co-authored with then-Rep. Cori Bush
Rep. Al Green — reparations advocate
Rep. Barbara Lee (now Mayor, Oakland) — longtime H.R.40 champion
Rep. Cori Bush — co-author of 2023 federal reparations legislation with Dreisen Heath
Rep. Jamaal Bowman — reparations advocate
Rep. John Conyers (now deceased) — original H.R.40 champion; first introduced 1989
Tiffany Crutcher — Tulsa racial justice leader; Legacy Festival collaborator
Dr. Marcus Anthony Hunter — author, Radical Reparations; referenced in closing

EventsEquity Week 2026, Washington D.C. — Congressional meeting (Tuesday), House Triangle press conference (Thursday), reparative justice display at the Library of Congress, Equity Ball
Legacy Festival, Tulsa — organized in memory of the Tulsa Race Massacre
Freedom Summer 2026 — the organizing frame for this episode and season
America 250 — the U.S. 250th anniversary, named as a 'fake celebration' framing the urgency of this moment

Historical ContextTulsa Race Massacre (1921) — destruction of Black Wall Street; Tulsa litigation referenced as a model
Rosewood Massacre — looted homes before burning
H.R.40 first introduced: 1989 (36+ year delay as of this episode)
First-ever committee vote on H.R.40: 2021
Treasury Judgment Fund — permanent taxpayer fund; discussed as a future vehicle for reparative repair
Holocaust victims reparations — U.S. government assistance for U.S.-based Holocaust survivors to reclaim looted art and artifacts; cited as evidence the federal government already has infrastructure for repair

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Freedom Summer didn't end in 1964 — it lives in every classroom, every protest, every young person who picks up a book and sees themselves as their own liberator. In this conversation, Dr. David J. Johns sits down with his sister and colleague Dr. Brittany Packnett Cunningham — strategist, educator, Webby Award-winning host of UNDISTRACTED, and Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer of the Children's Defense Fund — to trace the direct line from Mississippi 1964 to the urgent work of this summer.

They go deep on who actually carried Freedom Summer — young people and everyday Black Mississippians who risked everything for the audacity of a vote — and how Marian Wright, present on those same voter registration lines, took what she saw and built what would become CDF Freedom Schools, now serving upwards of 12,000 students every summer. Dr. Brittany explains why Freedom Schools are as much an intervention for the whole family as they are for the child — and why, in a moment when Roots has been banned in the same county where Alex Haley bought the farm that bears its legacy, we cannot afford to lose the recipes.

The conversation moves into UNDISTRACTED — the Meteor Network flagship that Dr. David is proud to be part of as a correspondent this season — and what it means to build a platform where the questions are better and the community is ready to wrestle with them. And it closes with the ecosystem that connects it all: State of the People, Signal LIVE, All Roads Lead South, and Freedom Summer 2026 — a season-long drumbeat of mobilization, education, and local organizing rooted in the same soil as 1964.

This is not a closed chapter. This is a living model. Class is in session.

Show Notes:CDF Freedom Schools Find a Freedom School near you, apply to become a Servant Leader Intern, or explore leadership pathways for students, parents, caregivers, and faith leaders: childrensdefense.org
Freedom Summer 2026 Host a satellite rally, join Juneteenth Week of Action events, and plug into mobilization happening across the country all summer long: freedomsummer2026.com
UNDISTRACTED / The Meteor Webby Award-winning podcast hosted by Dr. Brittany Packnett Cunningham, flagship of the Meteor Network. Subscribe wherever you get podcasts and at wearethemeteor.com
State of the People / Signal LIVE Black-owned, Black-led media ecosystem founded by Angela Rye. Watch Signal LIVE, explore The Black Papers, and tap into the community: stateofthepeople.tv
Juneteenth Week of Action events: June 18 (Georgia State Capitol/Liberty Plaza), June 20 (125th Street, Harlem), June 22 (mass virtual meeting with Freedom Trainers/Ashley Woodard Henderson)
 — UNDISTRACTED Live: June 22, Washington DC

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