Red Flags Rising

Mike and Brent welcome author and compliance professional Severin Wirz to the pod to discuss his first book, Bribery Beyond Borders: The Story of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. They discuss with Severin his inspiration for writing the book (02:44), the book’s focus on the people and personalities involved in the events between 1975 and the 1977 passage of the FCPA (05:50), the political and geopolitical scandals that kept up the momentum for a law banning overseas bribery (06:59), what his research uncovered beyond the traditional FCPA origin story (10:49), the relevance of the Cold War to the FCPA’s passage—specifically how corruption by capitalists fed into Communist propaganda (12:39), how the political “sausage” was made (16:33), stories of personal courage and risk-taking that made the FCPA possible (18:27), the use of the phrase “post-Watergate morality” as a critique of the FCPA and other reform efforts (21:48), how anti-corruption laws actually help American companies competing for business overseas (29:21), where the FCPA stands today (31:17), and how corruption is a social construct that, to paraphrase former federal appellate judge and author himself John Noonan, to exist as a legal concept must first exist in the minds of everyday people (35:40).Mike and Brent then conclude with another installment of Brent Carlson’s “Managing Up” (38:14).Bribery Beyond Borders: The Story of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act—Learn more at Corporate Compliance Insights here: https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/bribery-beyond-borders-fcpa-severin-wirz/Available at Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Bribery-Beyond-Borders-Foreign-Practices/dp/1735028592 More about Severin here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/severin-wirz-3574b574/Contact Brent: [email protected] Mike: [email protected]

Mike & Brent explore the classic “Fraud Triangle” of pressure, opportunity, and rationalization and discuss Brent’s creation of a new “Fraud Diamond Framework” (SM) to help trade compliance (and other) professionals who are looking not to explain past misconduct but instead to prevent future misconduct. They discuss recent news and developments in the export controls world (00:55), how seemingly inconsistent headlines are actually consistent with each other (04:05), and how Edward Fishman’s “impossible triad” concept continues to be a useful tool for understanding what’s happening in geopolitics and trade competition (06:22), and then they launch into their discussion of Brent’s Fraud Diamond Framework (SM) (08:05).Regarding the Fraud Diamond Framework (SM), they discuss the classic fraud triangle and the backward-looking perspective from which it was derived (09:18), and then explain the Fraud Diamond Framwork’s four elements of pressure (12:08), opportunity (13:06), something that’s too good to be true that comes at a critical time for the business (14:06), and signs of concealment (15:48). Brent next explains the Fraud Diamond Framework (SM) through a historical case study pulled from his own prior experience helping a client with a compliance commercial fraud dispute involving the acquisition of a business in China (17:35), after which they explain how the Fraud Diamond Framework (SM) can help trade compliance teams today (23:02).They conclude with another installment of Brent’s always popular “Managing Up” segment (24:43).Contact Brent: [email protected] Mike: [email protected]“Chokepoints: American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare” by Edward Fishman: https://a.co/d/3PhvprsBrent’s original NYU PCCE post, “When Loopholes Create Liability Pitfalls: A Fresh Look at Export Controls” (Aug. 25, 2023): https://wp.nyu.edu/compliance_enforcement/2023/08/25/29814/

As the geopolitical and national political winds continue to swirl, Mike & Brent go back to basics to level-set and provide some foundational first principles of export controls compliance. They discuss the roller-coaster of the Affiliates Rule suspension (01:44); why the real risks from a compliance and enforcement perspective lay just outside of the Rule (02:37); how General Prohibition 10, the full definition of “knowledge” to include “an awareness of a high probability,” and the various inchoate provisions (i.e., causing, aiding and abetting, solicitation and attempt, conspiracy, acting with knowledge, misrepresentation and concealment, intent to evade, and failure to comply with recordkeeping requirements) are the foundational anti-diversion provisions under the U.S. Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (03:02); great listener feedback about how the Affiliates Rule shaped the in-house discussion of diversion risk (05:23); developing and implementing a high probability protocol as the only way to stay grounded in dynamic and challenging times (08:33); recent legislative proposals and hearings, including a recent hearing by a subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee focused on export controls loopholes, and the dangers of a dissatisfied U.S. Congress (09:42); why the definition of “knowledge” under the EAR is not mere legalese to be lost in the 1,467 pages (as of January 1, 2025) of the EAR but is instead the path forward for both government and industry (14:18); the details and implications of General Prohibition 10 (17:11); the details of the full definition of “knowledge,” including what we can learn from its history in the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act and, before then, the Model Penal Code (18:48); and recent enforcement activity by DOJ and BIS, and what the activity signals about the government’s next enforcement moves (22:30).They then conclude with the latest installment of Brent’s increasingly popular “Managing Up” segment (27:14).Contact Brent: [email protected] Mike: [email protected]’s latest NYU Program on Corporate Compliance & Enforcement (PCCE) post, “From Peanuts to Elephant-Sized Penalties: A Fresh Look at Recent U.S. Export Controls Enforcement Developments & Future Trends” (Oct. 31, 2025): https://wp.nyu.edu/compliance_enforcement/2025/10/31/from-peanuts-to-elephant-sized-penalties-a-fresh-look-at-recent-u-s-export-controls-enforcement-developments-future-trends/

Mike & Brent draw inspiration from the current Broadway run of Waiting for Godot starring Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter to suggest some first principals of risk-based export controls compliance to trade compliance teams. They discuss the futility of the oft-reported sentiment in the trade compliance press of wanting more or clearer guidance from the U.S. government about export controls risk management is not necessary, because the guidance is already here and the “high probability” standard offers a path forward (01:03); how the “high probability” standard and a return to anti-diversion first principles is a way to avoid a repeat of the compliance whipsaw effect occasioned by the announcement, then suspension, of the Affiliates Rule (a/k/a the 50% Rule) (03:47); how an example of this is focusing on your compliance and enforcement risks under General Prohibition 10 and the inchoate provisions of U.S. export controls (07:10); how neither the Affiliates Rule’s adoption nor its suspension changed GP10 or the other anti-diversion regulations under U.S. export controls (12:03); why efforts to comply with the Affiliates Rule were not wasted (14:23); how to deal with and overcome “compliance fatigue” in organizations (16:04); Brent’s latest NYU PCCE post (17:59); and why there was an over-focus on item-based classifications relative to knowledge-based end-use and end-user catch-all provisions and GP10 (19:17).They then conclude with a righteous installment of Brent Carlson’s “Managing Up” (21:36).“Waiting for Godot” starring Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter is currently playing at the Hudson Theater in New York City until January 4, 2026. For tickets: https://boxoffice.nyc.com/waiting-for-godot/13147/calendar/Brent’s latest NYU Law School Program on Corporate Compliance & Enforcement post, from October 31, 2025: https://wp.nyu.edu/compliance_enforcement/2025/10/31/from-peanuts-to-elephant-sized-penalties-a-fresh-look-at-recent-u-s-export-controls-enforcement-developments-future-trends/Brent’s email: [email protected]’s email: [email protected]

Mike and Brent take a break from Affiliates Rule (delayed) suspension news to focus on practical advice for companies that might be in the middle of U.S. government investigations into alleged export controls violations. They discuss the importance of engaging with the government with an awareness and an appreciation for the latest enforcement trends and signals, particularly regarding the government’s emphasis on the full definition of “knowledge” to include “an awareness of a high probability” (00:49); the importance of not being surprised by these trends in the middle of an investigation (02:52); the dangers to the cost, delay, and outcome of any investigation for failing to perceive the signals through the noise (04:08); the particular relevance of these strategies in defending against allegations of entity-shifting (09:48); the need to consider waiving privilege over prior bad legal advice—especially to avoid paying more to defend an investigation that was triggered by adhering to the prior advice (11:52); what to look for in the terms of a proposed settlement agreement, including whether and how the company will be “covered” if there are post-resolution reports of additional, previously undisclosed pre-resolution misconduct (13:22) and executive officer certification requirements (16:51); and the importance in national security resolutions, where they are imposed, of having post-resolution independent monitors or independent compliance consultants commit to focused, risk-based post-resolution monitoring that direct addresses the root causes of the violations, to avoid “industrial tourism” and to best promote the national security objectives of the United States (19:34).Then then conclude with the next installment of Brent Carlson’s “Managing Up” segment (23:37).Brent’s latest NYU Program on Corporate Compliance & Enforcement (PCCE) post, “From Peanuts to Elephant-Sized Penalties: A Fresh Look at Recent U.S. Export Controls Enforcement Developments & Future Trends” (Oct. 31, 2025), https://wp.nyu.edu/compliance_enforcement/2025/10/31/from-peanuts-to-elephant-sized-penalties-a-fresh-look-at-recent-u-s-export-controls-enforcement-developments-future-trends/Mike & Brent’s prior NYU PCCE post, “Monitoring What Matters: A Fresh Look Proposal to Government and Industry for How Post-Resolution Oversight Can Best Deny Hostile Actors the Means to Cause Deadly Harm” (Mar. 28, 2024), https://wp.nyu.edu/compliance_enforcement/2024/03/28/monitoring-what-matters-a-fresh-look-proposal-to-government-and-industry-for-how-post-resolution-oversight-can-best-deny-hostile-actors-the-means-to-cause-deadly-harm/Contact Brent: [email protected] Mike: [email protected]