S2 Ep6: Finding Our Way with Every Body Outdoors - Big bodies, good kit and community
In this one we sit down with Steph Wetherell, co-founder of Every Body Outdoors, a group campaigning for better representation, clothing and gear for larger and plus-sized bodies in the UK outdoors. We talk about sizest attitudes, why seeing plus size people represented by brands and media is so important, and how clothes and kit can be more inclusive. And the unexpected joy of finding your ‘tribe’.
How Steph got into hiking, and didn’t know bodies like hers could do it
The barriers for plus size people
Why she feels like she represents plus size people every time she goes out
Why brands and media should diversify the bodies they feature
The problems with outdoor clothing size and cut for plus sizes. Trousers, bellies and baggy legs!
Not having waterproofs that fit and how that changes your experience and plans in the hills
The potential market for curve-friendly outdoor clothing and equipment
Quick fixes - size charts, pictures, shops
Skills courses for plus size people. Pace, confidence, no judgement
Finding her tribe
Falling in love with her body because of what it can do
Future plans for Every Body Outdoors
A response from Berghaus product team!
Show notes and full transcript available at https://www.thebmc.co.uk/
Follow Every Body Outdoors on social - @Every_Body_Outdoors
Facebook group: https://m.facebook.com/groups/everybodyoutdoors/
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S2 Ep5: Finding Our Way with Anoushé Husain – Paraclimbing, pain and the possible
In this one we sit down with international paraclimber Anoushé Husain. She co-founded the group Paraclimbing London, competes internationally for the Luxembourg team, and recently became a Guinness World Record holder for the furthest distance climbed one-handed in one hour. She’s also a celebrated public speaker, an ambassador for Ehlers-Danlos Support, and Ambassador for Limb Power UK who work with amputees and people with limb difference. She’s also a practicing muslim and is married to paraclimber Kenneth Ellacott – we talk about that too!
How social justice and climbing come together for Anoushé
Discovering the paraclimbing community
Do’s and Don’t’s for non-disabled climbers
How climbing helps Anoushé manage her pain
Meeting (and marrying) paraclimber Ken Ellacott
Being Muslim
Becoming a Guinness World Record Holder
Training for the challenge & mastering a different climbing technique
Coping with Covid lockdowns and a cancer scare
What Anoushé ate for breakfast on her Guinness World Record attempt day
The mental strength it’s given her and the appeal of endurance challenges – an extreme way of finding normality
Being called ‘Inspirational’
What’s next for Anoushé – training, and extending the paraclimbing community to Luxembourg
Show notes and full transcript available at https://www.thebmc.co.uk/
Follow Anoushé on social - https://www.instagram.com/anoushehusain/ https://anoushehusain.com/
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S2 Ep4: Finding Our Way with Richard Chapman - Grief and healing through climbing
Content information: In this episode, Richard talks about his young son dying from cancer, and the impact of that traumatic experience on his mental health. He also describes how climbing has helped him recover and manage PTSD.
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In this one we sit down with climber and mountaineer Richard Chapman, who’s changing the way trauma is treated in mainstream healthcare. He has lived experience of trauma and PTSD, and says climbing outdoors helped him recover. He’s now helping develop NHS trials of ‘social prescribing’, where patients are offered non-medical, community-based interventions – including climbing – as a pathway to recovery and hope.
Being introduced to the mountains by his Dad
Richard losing his young son to cancer in 1998, at the age of 14 months
The dangers of telling people about losing a child, the intensity of the emotions and the negative impact on Richard’s mental health
Getting a diagnosis of PTSD and why grief counselling didn’t work
The physical, psychological and emotional benefits of climbing outdoors
The power of Nature Connection
The neurological basis of trauma
The reality of being ‘triggered’
Emotional agility and activities that can help you experience powerful emotions safely
Yoga, singing, theatre…and climbing?
Richard’s seven principles of why climbing is so therapeutic
How this work has changed how Richard climbs – the appeal of the aesthetic line & scrambling
Managing risk for people who are vulnerable
What is social prescribing, why we need it, where it’s being rolled out
Completing the NHS Peer Leadership Development Programme
How this is a story of recovery, hope and being defined not just by what happened to you, but by what could happen next.
Show notes and full transcript available at www.thebmc.co.uk/finding-our-way-podcast-rich-chapman-grief
Follow Richard on twitter - @elchipmeister @climbingmatters
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S2 Ep3: Finding Our Way with United We Climb (ft Marie Uri and Yasmin Lazarus) – Climbing Walls and Checking Privilege
In this one we sit down with climbers Marie Uri and Yasmin Lazarus from United We Climb. Their group is committed to creating new opportunities and experiences designed specifically for – and with – people who are currently underserved and underrepresented in climbing and the outdoors. This includes paraclimbers, neurodiverse people and people of colour. United We Climb also work with climbing businesses to help them recognise and remove barriers to inclusive access.
Marie and Yasmin on their first experiences of climbing
Being the only black woman on a club meet and being stared at
Experiences of beta-spraying at the crag
United We Climb, a JEDI organisation: justice, equality, diversity and inclusion
Empowering the climbing industry to be more representative and to make climbing more accessible
A partnership needs to be more that just one project, it must be sustainable
Research being conducted by United We Climb to develop training for climbing walls
Building networks and why community groups are necessary
If you want to have more diversity, don't wait for the diversity to come to you. Go to them
Simple actions that promote inclusivity
The Disability Price Tag
Checking your privilege
What’s next for United We Climb
Show notes and full transcript available at https://www.thebmc.co.uk/finding-our-way-podcast-united-we-climb
Follow United We Climb on social - @unitedweclimb https://unitedweclimb.com/
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S2 Ep2: Finding Our Way with Dwayne Fields - Young People, Urban Britain and Nature Connection
In this one we sit down with National Geographic explorer Dwayne Fields to talk about giving young people chance to shine, helping urban communities connect with the wild, advice for allies and how to respect the outdoors.
Growing up in Jamaica and the traumatic transition to life in London
How Scouts gave him freedom to be himself
Training in UK mountain environments
The special magic of challenging yourself in the outdoors
Overcoming the fear of going into wild places for the first time
Experiencing inner city gang violence – being robbed, stabbed and an attempted shooting
Discovering the outdoors as a way to be his real self
Being the first black Briton to walk to the North Pole, and what that was like
Why outdoor and adventure communities aren’t representative, and what needs to change
The We Two Foundation and giving underprivileged youngsters a chance
The Scouts and the Agoonoree Camp for Scouts with special needs
How to be an ally to improve diversity in the outdoors
Leave No Trace and wild camping
What’s next for Dwayne
Show notes and full transcript available at https://www.thebmc.co.uk/finding-our-way-podcast-dwayne-fields-on-urban-britain-nature-connection
Follow Dwayne on social - @dwayne_fields, @teamwetwo, www.dwayne-fields.com
The power of the outdoors can be transformative. Connecting with new experiences and like-minded people through walking, climbing and mountaineering creates powerful communities and lifelong memories.
We want to diversify the people we normally hear talking about the outdoors, celebrate their stories, shine a light on their insights, and create a place for discussion, inclusion and practical advice. So welcome to Finding Our Way, a podcast that aims to be thought-provoking, upbeat and entertaining.
Finding Our Way is brought to you by the British Mountaineering Council and proudly sponsored by Berghaus. It’s hosted and produced by BMC walking ambassador Mary-Ann Ochota and expedition leader and equity champion Cress Allwood. Our editor is Chris Stone. The artwork is by Neil Arch.