The Dad Edge Podcast

This week I sat down with Jordan Raynor, a bestselling author, serial entrepreneur, and one of the leading voices in the faith and work movement. Jordan wrote Called to Create, Redeeming Your Time, The Creator in You, and his newest book, Redeeming Your Goals, and he's the executive chairman of Threshold 360 after stepping down as CEO to write full time. He has been married since 2009, is a dad to three daughters, and he asks a much better question than most goal-setting gurus: who are we becoming while we chase these goals?
We started with the all-boys versus all-girls dad debate, and I told the story of a sold-out daddy daughter retreat that left me with serious FOMO. From there we got into the Tim Keller book that changed Jordan's faith, the day his kids' drawings of the family left him out and he gave his board 15 months notice, and the nightly ritual that keeps his phone out of his hands from 5 p.m. to 6:37 a.m. If you're a dad who wants to stop compartmentalizing your faith, your work, and your family, this one is for you.
 
Timeline Summary
[1:01] Larry welcomes Jordan, and the two compare life raising all girls versus all boys
[2:25] Larry shares how a sold-out daddy daughter retreat with 12 dads and 12 daughters became his favorite event
[10:27] Larry introduces Jordan: bestselling author, serial entrepreneur, and faith and work voice
[12:23] Jordan explains how he became a Google Fellow running a political tech company
[13:58] Jordan on his faith, his first campaign at 17, and why he left politics for entrepreneurship
[18:23] Jordan credits Tim Keller and The Freedom of Self-Forgetfulness with changing how he follows Jesus
[22:05] Jordan tells the story of meeting his wife at Florida State and two years in the friend zone
[28:56] Jordan on writing his first book, Called to Create, and betting on himself as a full-time writer
[33:05] Why Jordan gave his board 15 months notice as CEO after his kids drew family pictures without him
[38:12] Why Jordan refuses to compartmentalize faith, marriage, parenting, and work
[42:11] Two practical steps: remember God cares about your work, and pray in short silent moments all day
[44:08] Jordan's phone ritual: no phone from 5 p.m. to 6:37 a.m. so his kids see his full presence
[50:27] A study showing kids run the bases faster and make fewer mistakes when parents aren't on their phones
[51:56] Redeeming Your Goals: seven principles, 58 practices, a no template, and kill criteria for strategic quitting
[57:00] Jordan's family goal to love like Jesus, and his 12-year-old raising money to send two orphans to college
[1:03:23] Jordan shares where to find him and how preordering Redeeming Your Goals enters you to win $4,000
 
Five Key Takeaways
God cares about your work, so you don't have to live in separate worlds for your faith, your job, and your family.
Short, silent prayers throughout the workday, even a sticky note that says pray, invite God into ordinary work.
Turn your phone into a landline after work, and your kids get your presence instead of your leftover attention.
Set kill criteria for a goal or strategy ahead of time, so you quit on purpose instead of on emotion.
Write down a family goal and review it every quarter, because confident kids come from a clear target and a loving example.
 
Links & Resources
Jordan Raynor: https://jordanraynor.com
Redeeming Your Goals (preorder before October 16 to enter the $4,000 giveaway): https://jordanraynor.com/redeeming-your-goals
The Freedom of Self-Forgetfulness by Tim Keller: https://gospelinlife.com/book/the-freedom-of-self-forgetfulness
Dad Edge Alliance (October Bonuses): https://thedadedge.com/join
Dad Edge Day at State Farm Stadium: https://thedadedge.com/nfl
The Dad Edge Podcast: https://thedadedge.com/1549
 
Closing
Jordan said he can't imagine a more valuable present to give his kids than his presence, and that line has stayed with me. I've watched a mom at my son's soccer game barely look up while her little boy banged on the glass for attention, and I don't want to be that dad for even one day. If this conversation moved you, pick two hours tonight, put your phone in another room, and give your family everything you've got. Go out and live legendary.

This week I sat down with Adam Ukman, the founder of The Dads Initiative, a media company built entirely around a question almost nobody else in men's media is asking: where's the content for the normal dad? About a year ago, Adam launched The Dads Initiative after noticing men's media split into two toxic lanes, anger and blame, and set out to build a third lane for guys just trying to show up and do their best. His team surveyed more than 1,300 fathers and found that when asked which father figure in media actually reflects who they are, the most common answer was "nobody," a gap his shows, like the confidence-focused Reset Mode and the golf-and-life show Cart Talk, are built to fill.
This is also just a deeply personal conversation. Adam lives in Fort Collins, Colorado, has been married to his wife, Jessica, for over a decade, and is dad to a three-year-old son named Noah. We get into the alter egos he leans on as a father, including a surprising nod to Jonathan Roumie's portrayal of Jesus in The Chosen, the mentor who taught him that confidence starts with keeping your word to yourself, and the simple, unglamorous rituals, a standing Thursday lunch date, a Friday afternoon date day, that keep his marriage on the front burner instead of the back burner.
 
Timeline Summary
[1:44] Adam joins Larry, and the two dive right into the mission behind The Dads Initiative, which Adam launched about a year earlier
[3:25] Adam shares that he lives in Fort Collins, Colorado
[6:36] Larry introduces Adam's full story: over a decade of marriage, a son named Noah, and a media company built around content for men who happen to be fathers, not more parenting lectures
[9:27] Larry and Adam discuss the loneliness so many men report and the need for men's media to offer "better company"
[12:16] Adam breaks down why triggering, divisive content gets rewarded by social algorithms while hopeful, genuine content struggles to break through
[18:43] Adam introduces his research study of more than 1,300 fathers on how they experience their own identity and fatherhood in the media
[20:28] The study's most common answer for a father figure in media who reflects them was "nobody," with only Bluey's dad, Bandit, and Pa from Little House on the Prairie standing out as exceptions
[23:05] Study finding: two-thirds of dads said they'd rather be seen as a strong, independent, protective provider than simply a kind, caring one
[30:28] Adam walks through Todd Herman's Alter Ego Effect framework and the archetypes he personally draws on as a father, including Jonathan Roumie's portrayal of Jesus in The Chosen for compassion and calm
[35:29] Adam highlights The Dads Initiative's golf show, Cart Talk, hosted by Paul Sullivan, and a recent episode featuring golf writer Tom Coyne on his decade of sobriety
[42:18] Adam shares a mentor's lesson that confidence starts with keeping your word to yourself and others
[46:34] Adam reflects on what he wants his three-year-old son, Noah, to "catch" from watching him: decency, curiosity, and respect
[57:12] Adam and Larry talk about modeling apology and ownership for their kids instead of avoiding it
[1:03:12] Adam describes protecting his marriage with a standing Thursday lunch date and a longer Friday afternoon date day
[1:05:33] Adam references the book Us, by therapist Terrence Real, on making relationship decisions as a unit rather than as individuals
[1:10:26] Adam shares where to find The Dads Initiative and its Substack, and closes with the episode number for the show notes
 
Five Key Takeaways
Most dads don't need another lecture, they need better company, which is the whole reason Adam built The Dads Initiative.
Confidence starts with keeping your word to yourself, not just intending to.
An interested dad is the most interesting dad on the block, curiosity beats lecturing every time.
Protecting your marriage takes an actual calendar entry, not just good intentions.
Apologizing to your kids builds more respect, not less.
 
Links & Resources
The Dads Initiative: https://www.dadsinitiative.com
The Dad Edge Podcast: https://thedadedge.com/1546
 
Closing
Adam's not out here trying to convince anyone he's got fatherhood figured out. He's the guy who still gets dragged some mornings, who's had to rebuild his marriage's front burner on purpose, and who apologizes to his own three-year-old rather than pull rank. If this conversation reminded you that showing up imperfectly still counts as showing up, go set your own Thursday lunch date. Go out and live legendary.

Justin Pickering spent nearly two decades in U.S. Army Special Forces, retiring as a Green Beret Sergeant Major with the 7th Special Forces Group, earning a Purple Heart and five Bronze Stars along the way. He's now an entrepreneur, real estate investor, and author of The Deliberate Mindset, a book built from his own collapse and recovery after coming home from his final deployment.
In this episode, Justin joins Larry to talk about the moment his youngest son didn't recognize him after his final deployment, the flashback that sent him to check himself into a psychological care program, and the five pillars he built to rebuild his marriage and fatherhood from the ground up.
Timeline Summary
[2:12] Larry opens with the moment Justin's youngest son, then five years old, looked at him after his final deployment and asked, "Who are you?"
[5:34] Justin's middle son, seven at the time, tells him he wishes he had died overseas after a week of nonstop new discipline at home.
[8:25] Justin describes why combat felt peaceful to him: one task, one standard, and a clear drill for every threat.
[11:40] Justin shares that he was depressed, medicated, and losing friends to suicide, and started wondering if he'd be the next statistic.
[13:05] Justin explains how watching elite Green Berets take their own lives led him to build the blueprint that became his book.
[15:06] Larry formally introduces Justin's record: two decades in Army Special Forces, a Green Beret Sergeant Major, a Purple Heart, and five Bronze Stars.
[20:47] Justin begins the story of his breaking point, a 30 day span that changed everything.
[22:51] During a disagreement on the family farm, Justin has a flashback and mistakes his 12 year old son for a disrespectful Afghan elder.
[24:44] Justin drives himself straight to base afterward and checks into the psychological performance program.
[25:05] Justin initially refuses medication, having watched his mother's lifelong struggle with pill addiction end in her death.
[25:59] Blood work reveals extremely high cortisol levels, explaining why Justin was constantly on edge after multiple deployments.
[27:26] Justin introduces the five pillars behind his recovery: gratitude, framing and reframing, controlling the controllable, action over perfection, and the power of words and thoughts.
[27:45] Justin admits he later stopped his medication cold turkey without telling his wife or his doctor, a decision he's explicit about not recommending to anyone else.
[35:04] Justin shares how reframing "I have to" into "I get to" changed his relationship with his kids, starting with school drop off.
[1:02:57] Justin tells the story of a blown trailer tire on the drive home from Florida, and how his new mindset replaced "Pickering luck" with gratitude.
[1:07:05] Justin shares where to find his book, his business, and his weekly newsletter, The Sunday Compass.
Five Key Takeaways
Coming home can be its own deployment. Justin says combat felt simpler than fatherhood because it had clear tasks and standards. Reentry doesn't come with a manual, and that gap is where a lot of men get lost.
Watch for the moment you stop feeling anything at all. Justin describes years on medication where he wasn't angry, but he also wasn't happy, sad, or anything else. Numb is not the same as healed.
The five pillars are simple on purpose: gratitude, reframing, controlling the controllable, action over perfection, and watching your words. None of them are new. What matters is actually doing them.
A single word swap can change a relationship. Justin changed "I have to take the kids to school" to "I get to take the kids to school," and silent car rides turned into conversations his kids will remember for decades.
Never stop medication or change a treatment plan without your doctor. Justin is explicit that going cold turkey off his prescription without telling his wife or his doctor was the wrong way to do it, even though it worked out for him.
Links & Resources
The Deliberate Mindset: https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Mindset-Overthinking-Resilience-Intentional/dp/B0GXMTCWSX
The Deliberate Blueprint: https://deliberateblueprint.com
Find Justin on Facebook/Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/justin.pickering.927/, https://www.instagram.com/thedeliberateblueprint/
Dad Edge Alliance (October Bonuses): https://thedadedge.com/join
Dad Edge Day at State Farm Stadium: https://thedadedge.com/nfl
The Dad Edge Podcast: https://thedadedge.com/1539
Closing
Justin's story is proof that the strongest men still break, and that breaking isn't the end of the story. The dad who once told his own son "I'm going to have to defend myself" is the same dad now driving his kids to school and calling it a gift instead of a chore. If anything in this episode hit close to home, whether it's PTSD, a mental health crisis, or the loss of someone to suicide, the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline (call or text 988) is there any time you need to talk to someone. Go out and live legendary.

John R. Miles is a Naval Academy graduate, combat veteran, and former Fortune 500 executive who went on to found Passion Struck and write Passion Struck and the upcoming The Mattering Effect: Creating a Life of Meaning and Worth, a Next Big Idea Club selection curated by Susan Cain, Malcolm Gladwell, Daniel Pink, and Adam Grant.
In this episode, John joins Larry to talk about what he calls "the slow fade," the quiet erosion that happens when a man's sense of worth gets tied entirely to what he produces. He shares the story of walking in on an armed intruder in his own home, the friend's suicide that reshaped his life, and the two questions he believes every man should be asking himself about whether he feels valued and who he surrounds himself with.
Timeline Summary
[1:02] Larry introduces John's resume: Naval Academy, combat veteran, Booz Allen, Arthur Andersen, Fortune 500 C-suite roles, and multiple CEO positions.
[3:24] Larry names the turning point in John's story: reaching a state he calls "quiet desperation" despite external success.
[4:14] Larry introduces John's current work as founder of Passion Struck, bestselling author, and podcast host.
[8:10] John explains how a stalled FBI application during a government budget standoff pushed him into Booz Allen and management consulting instead.
[13:24] A chance conversation at a conference leads John to a $5 million contract building flight simulation training for Navy and Marine Corps pilots.
[20:12] John describes hitting a breaking point as an EVP at Catalina Marketing, facing a $100 million problem with a fraction of that in funding.
[22:48] John defines "the slow fade," the concept from his book describing how people quietly disappear from their own lives.
[27:53] John recounts walking in on an armed intruder inside his home shortly after his divorce.
[28:58] Three days after that break-in, a close friend died by suicide, a turning point that led John to start Passion Struck.
[38:07] John breaks down the structure of The Mattering Effect: the first three chapters diagnose the problem, the rest offers a way back.
[39:30] John explains the difference between global and specific self-esteem, and why success in one area of life doesn't guarantee feeling valued in another.
[41:28] John cites Cornell regret research and Bronnie Ware's hospice work: most people's biggest regret is never becoming who they wanted to be.
[47:20] John shares the two questions he thinks every man should ask: are you feeling valued, and are you adding value?
[49:40] John introduces "the Mosquito Principle," his framework for identifying and setting boundaries with draining people.
[57:15] John shares where to find his book, his coaching, and the Passion Struck podcast.
Five Key Takeaways
Success and feeling valued are two different things. You can check every external box, title, income, achievements, and still feel like you're disappearing, because self-esteem in one area of life doesn't transfer to the areas that matter most.
Watch for "the slow fade." Nobody wakes up one day and decides to disappear from their own life. It happens gradually, through years of being useful without being seen, until you don't feel as alive as you used to.
Ask yourself two questions regularly: are you feeling valued, and are you adding value? Most high-performing men are excellent at the second and starving for the first.
Identify the "mosquitoes" in your life, the people who quietly drain you, and set boundaries with them. You don't have to keep environments or relationships that only take.
What you don't deal with gets passed down. John's own kids noticed his emotional absence before he did. If you're checked out, your children see it as their mirror, whether you realize it or not.
Links & Resources
The Mattering Effect: https://matteringeffect.com
Passion Struck: https://passionstruck.com
John R. Miles: https://johnrmiles.com
Dad Edge Day at State Farm Stadium: https://thedadedge.com/nfl
The Dad Edge Podcast: https://thedadedge.com/1537
Closing
John's story is a gut check for any man who's been rewarded for being useful while quietly disappearing on the inside. The moment his own son asked him why he never laughed anymore says more than any resume ever could. If this episode brought up something heavier for you, you don't have to carry it alone. The 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline (call or text 988) is available any time you need to talk to someone. Go out and live legendary.

Chris Schuett is a Brooklyn dad of two, the COO of Little Cinema, and the author of You Are Now the CFO of a Very Small Family, where he writes about what he calls "the financial drift," the slow, unintentional neglect of a family's financial foundation. He's also the writer behind the New Family CFO newsletter, sharing what he's learned building his own financial system from scratch.
In this episode, Chris joins Larry to unpack why dads put off wills, life insurance, and college savings until "later" quietly becomes years, how to talk to your spouse about money without triggering a fight, and why identifying your family's core values makes financial decisions dramatically easier. Larry also shares the story of paying off $95,000 in debt in five years, and how it nearly sent his wife into a grocery store panic because he never looped her in.
Timeline Summary
[1:02] Chris joins from Brooklyn and the two swap hometown food takes, landing on Texas barbecue over Chicago pizza.
[9:32] Larry introduces Chris as the author of You Are Now the CFO of a Very Small Family and writer of the New Family CFO newsletter.
[11:12] Larry names the concept at the heart of the episode: "the financial drift," the slow neglect that turns one exhausted night into years.
[13:25] Chris defines the financial drift and traces it back to writing his book after three years of getting his own finances in order.
[15:32] Chris explains the drift isn't laziness. Urgent daily tasks always beat important but invisible ones like a will or life insurance.
[16:18] Chris and Larry compare notes on never being taught personal finance in school, only learning it later through trial and error.
[19:36] Chris describes texting a finance-industry friend at 4 or 5 a.m. to ask the "ignorant" money questions he was embarrassed to ask anyone else.
[27:08] Larry shares paying off $95,000 in debt in five years using Dave Ramsey's method, without looping his wife in on the plan first.
[28:17] Larry's wife is left with $150 in checking and no idea why, a story he uses to show what happens when money isn't communicated.
[29:31] Chris says the worst way to start a money conversation is pulling up bank statements. Start with feelings first, numbers second.
[36:16] Chris describes helping a friend buy his first property by focusing on the friend's goals instead of comparing income or net worth.
[40:07] Chris and Larry connect financial decisions to a shared vision, and how couples often never actually align on what that vision is.
[54:14] Chris walks through his family's core values (connection, environment, adventure) and how they make spending decisions almost automatic.
[1:01:37] Chris points listeners to the New Family CFO Substack and his book, available on Amazon in Kindle and paperback.
 
Five Key Takeaways
The financial drift happens to almost every dad. It's not that you're ignoring your family's finances on purpose, it's that urgent daily tasks always crowd out the important but invisible ones, like a will or life insurance, until years have quietly gone by.
Don't open a money conversation with bank statements. Start by asking your spouse how they're feeling about your finances first. Leading with numbers turns the conversation into an audit, and audits start fights.
You only have two ways to create more money in your life: increase your income or decrease your expenses. Once you accept that, you can stop guessing and start deciding where your finite balance actually goes.
Know your family's core values before you make big financial calls. When Chris and his wife identified connection, environment, and adventure as theirs, spending on travel and family time stopped feeling like a debate.
Paying off debt in secret isn't a win if your spouse doesn't know the plan. Larry paid off $95,000 in five years, but he also left his wife staring at $150 in checking with no explanation. Communication has to come before the strategy.
 
Links & Resources
You Are Now the CFO of a Very Small Family: https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Very-Small-Family/dp/B0H2G1NVZM
New Family CFO: https://newfamilycfo.substack.com
Little Cinema: https://www.littlecinema.net
The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey: https://store.ramseysolutions.com/money/books/the-total-money-makeover-by-dave-ramsey/
The 5 Love Languages by Gary Chapman: https://www.amazon.com/Love-Languages-Secret-That-Lasts/dp/1594153515
The Dad Edge Podcast: https://thedadedge.com/1536
 
Closing
Chris's story about paying off debt without ever looping his wife in, and the panic she felt staring at $150 in the checking account, is a reminder that a good financial plan means nothing if your spouse isn't part of it. The real work isn't the spreadsheet, it's the conversation that happens before you ever open one. Start with how you're both feeling about money, get clear on your family's core values, and let those values point you toward your vision instead of chasing whatever the Joneses bought this week. Go out and live legendary.