Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher

Jill has almost no voice, and Brandon is out. Zach and Jill finish Mark 13 with one of the most discussed moments in the Gospels. They read Mark 13:24–37 and ask the big question: Is Jesus describing a future headline event, or is He pulling from Old Testament “apocalyptic” language and pointing to something the disciples would recognize—especially through Daniel 7? They pull the discussion to the ultimate not-yet now hope: Jesus is coming back, and while the Kingdom is still to come, it's also happening right now and we need to live like it.

Mark 13 has been turned into a hotbed for end-times debates for decades—but Jesus’ warning is far more grounded, far more urgent, and far more hopeful than most people realize. In this episode, Zach, Jill, and Brandon continue through Mark 13:14–23 and tackle one of the most debated sections in Scripture—not as an end-times scavenger hunt, but in the immediate context of Jesus’ warning about Jerusalem and the temple. From there, they zoom out to the bigger framework: the New Testament doesn’t treat “antichrist” like a single future superhero villain as much as a spirit that resists the incarnate Jesus and tries to pull faith back into fear, scapegoating, and speculation. The point isn’t panic—it’s participation. The temple in Jerusalem could be torn down, but the Kingdom can’t.

In this episode, Zach and Jill begin a pivotal conversation through Mark 13. Not as a fear-fueled scavenger hunt for modern headlines, but as a text rooted in the immediate context: the temple’s coming down, and the birth of a new order in Christ. The Kingdom is here now, it’s time to participate in it.

Zach sits down with his oldest son, Max, for a father-and-son conversation about growing up, rooting in, and building a life that lasts. Max is 20, graduating soon, going on tour, and getting married. This moment of “everything is happening at once” becomes the backdrop for a deeper conversation about fear, responsibility, and the kind of commitments that form a man. It’s practical, honest, and full of real-life wisdom for anyone trying to build a life with integrity in a culture of shortcuts.

In Jesus’ final public teaching inside the temple, He exposes the scribes’ performance—long robes, public prayers, religious prestige—and then points to a poor widow with two small coins.

One is production. The other is posture.

In this episode, Zach, Jill, and Brandon walk through Mark 12:35–44 and ask what it means to follow a King who can’t be contained by religious systems or political power. The leaders clung to structure and status. The widow simply trusted and obeyed.

She had no leverage and no influence, yet Jesus calls her offering greater than all the rest. Faithful obedience. Open hands. Trust in a kingdom already reigning—even as the temple itself is about to fall.

Passage: Mark 12:35–44