Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher

A break from the usual, Zach and Jill sit down with two of their longtime mentors and friends, Mac and Mary Owens (Global Directors of Celebrate Recovery).

It’s a raw, powerful conversation about the cost of secrecy, the freedom of confession, and how God can take the darkest parts of a story and turn them into the DNA of a movement that blesses generations. If you’re stuck in the shame cycle, hiding, or convinced you’re too far gone, this episode is a reminder that the gospel runs straight toward the broken, and healing begins when you step into the light.

Today Zach & Jill visit one of the most human, and most holy, moments in the Gospel of Mark.

In Mark 14:26–42, Jesus leaves the table, returns to the Mount of Olives, and enters Gethsemane. He tells the disciples they will all fall away. Peter insists he never will. And then Jesus does the unthinkable: He falls to the ground and prays for the cup to pass, while choosing the Father’s will anyway.

Brandon’s back, just in time for one of the most important meals in Scripture where Jesus sits down with the disciples for Passover. Zach, Jill, and Brandon discuss why meals are everywhere in the Bible (from Eden to Exodus to the King’s table), and why communion isn’t just a “symbol” or a routine, it’s a weekly entrance into the story that forms our loves, confronts our pride, and binds us to one another as the body of Christ.

Mark 14 opens with a dark cloud: the leaders are plotting in secret, Judas is looking for an opportunity, and Jesus is days away from the cross. But right in the middle of it, a woman walks into a dinner and does something that looks reckless—an act that ends up becoming one of the most prophetic in the entire Gospel. In this episode, Zach and Jill walk through Mark 14 and show why this isn’t just “sentimental devotion.” Mary pours out what amounts to a year’s wages—likely a family heirloom, possibly their security—and Jesus calls it beautiful because it’s preparing Him for burial.

Jill has almost no voice, and Brandon is out. Zach and Jill finish Mark 13 with one of the most discussed moments in the Gospels. They read Mark 13:24–37 and ask the big question: Is Jesus describing a future headline event, or is He pulling from Old Testament “apocalyptic” language and pointing to something the disciples would recognize—especially through Daniel 7? They pull the discussion to the ultimate not-yet now hope: Jesus is coming back, and while the Kingdom is still to come, it's also happening right now and we need to live like it.