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Marketing Against The Grain

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Marketing Against The Grain
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  • Marketing Against The Grain

    How to Rank #1 on Google in 2026 (The 6-Step SEO Playbook)

    04/30/2026 | 19 mins.
    Get our Guide to Rank #1 on Google in 2026: https://clickhubspot.com/lmfv

    Ep. 422

    How can you differentiate valuable content from generic AI-generated slop?

    Kipp dives into how to create non-commodity content that AI and your competitors can't replicate, giving you an edge in the new search-driven world. Learn more on the crucial differences between commodity and non-commodity content, the six key checkpoints every marketer should hit (like proprietary evidence, expert takes, and a real point of view), and how to use a free grader tool to level up your blog, landing pages, and newsletters for better rankings and more traffic.

    Mentions


    Barry Schwartz https://x.com/rustybrick


    Danny Sullivan https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannysullivan


    Dharmesh Shah https://www.linkedin.com/in/dharmesh


    Brian Halligan https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianhalligan


    Claude https://claude.ai/


    Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource


    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod 

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  

    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
  • Marketing Against The Grain

    They Spent $150,000 on AI Tokens (And Got Nothing)

    04/28/2026 | 15 mins.
    Get the most out of AI with our free AI ROI Scorecard: https://clickhubspot.com/epkj

    Ep. 421

    What if your team burned through your entire AI budget in just six months?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into the wild world of “token maxxing”—the new Silicon Valley trend of spending as much as possible on AI tokens without clear outcomes. Learn more on why AI token usage is skyrocketing, the difference between “token maxxing” and “outcome maxxing,” and powerful frameworks every marketing leader can use to turn AI spend into real business growth.

    Mentions


    Nvidia https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/


    All In Podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwW8GKwHB3I


    Claude https://claude.ai/


    Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/


    Manus https://manus.im/


    Gemini https://gemini.google.com/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource


    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod 

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  

    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat 

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
  • Marketing Against The Grain

    The New Rules to Beat the SEO Algorithm in 2026

    04/23/2026 | 40 mins.
    Start a free trial of HubSpot's new AEO tool: https://clickhubspot.com/wdlc

    Ep. 420

    In AI search,, relevancy matters more than authority.

    Kipp, Kieran, Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel), and guest Sam Parr (Host of My First Million) dive into how AI-driven answer engines are disrupting traditional SEO and what marketers must do to adapt. Learn more on how AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) is changing the rules of search, why citation and content relevance matter more than authority, and what tools and tactics you can implement to succeed in the new era of AI search.

    Mentions


    Sam Parr https://www.linkedin.com/in/parrsam


    My First Million https://www.mfmpod.com/


    Hampton https://joinhampton.com/


    The Hustle https://thehustle.co/


    Beeri Amiel https://www.linkedin.com/in/beeri-amiel


    XFunnel https://www.xfunnel.ai/


    HubSpot AEO Portal https://clickhubspot.com/aeo


    Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/


    Google Search Console https://search.google.com/search-console/about

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource


    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod 

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  

    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat 

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
  • Marketing Against The Grain

    I Run 250+ Social Media Posts/Week… Alone (Claude Code Workflow)

    04/21/2026 | 16 mins.
    Get our free Claude Cowork Workflow: https://clickhubspot.com/detf

    Ep. 419

    How do you publish 250 pieces of content per week with zero employees?

    Kipp and Sabrina Ramonov of Blotato, dive into the exact AI-powered content workflow that built a 2 million-person audience—all as a solo creator. Learn more on building repeatable brand voice skills with AI, automating content creation from raw images, and managing an entire social media calendar through smart connectors and tools. Sabrina Ramonov is on a mission to teach 1 million people AI. She’s the solo founder of Blotato.com, an AI SaaS app for creators and entrepreneurs to go viral on multiple social platforms like me (0 to 500k+ in 6 months solo).

    Mentions


    Sabrina Ramonov https://www.youtube.com/@sabrina_ramonov


    Blotato https://www.blotato.com/


    Claude Cowork https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13345190-get-started-with-claude-cowork


    Airtable https://www.airtable.com/


    Canva https://www.canva.com/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

    Resource


    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod 

    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  

    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
  • Marketing Against The Grain

    We Asked 4 AI Tools About Our Brand (The Result Were Alarming)

    04/16/2026 | 15 mins.
    Start a free trial of HubSpot's new AEO tool: https://clickhubspot.com/apeo

    Get the AEO playbook that made HubSpot the #1 most visible CRM in AI search: https://clickhubspot.com/mfle

    Ep. 418

    Did you know tools like ChatGPT and Claude are already telling your customers to buy from your competitors—and you might not even know it? 

    Kipp dives into the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and how AI search engines are transforming the way businesses are found and recommended online. Learn more on why traditional Google search is no longer enough, how AI-driven recommendations are shaping customer decisions, and the must-do strategies to ensure your brand shows up across every major AI-powered search engine.

    Mentions


    ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/


    Claude https://claude.ai/


    Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/


    Zendesk https://www.zendesk.com/


    Intercom https://www.intercom.com/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

    To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

    Resource


    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg 

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod 

    Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934  

    If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends.

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar  

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat 

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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About Marketing Against The Grain

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.
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