Lizness School

Today's guest is Roberta Katz, Liz's faculty advisor at Stanford last year. Roberta is so fun to talk to. She's a senior research scholar at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences at Stanford and a PhD Anthropologist. She is the author of the book Gen Z, Explained, a project she describes to Liz as a "second glass of wine idea." Roberta also holds as a law degree, and was previously the General Counsel of McCaw Cellular Corporation (now AT&T Wireless) and then of Netscape Corporation. From 2004 to 2017, she served under Stanford University Presidents John Hennessy and Marc Tessier-Lavigne as the Associate Vice president for Strategic Planning at Stanford.

Sponsor:
Welcome to our new sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union.
To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

HOMEWORK:
For more on Roberta Katz and her research on Gen Z, here are links to her book and a couple of podcast interviews:
Book: GenZ Explained - The Art of Living in a Digital Age by Roberta Katz, Sarah Ogilvie, Jane Shaw and Linda Woodhead
Podcast Interview: 4 Quarter Lives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8r7TNxyxw4
The Minor Consult from Stanford Medicine

Intergenerational anthropological field work recommended by Leah!

Talk to a Gen Z or Millennial in your life, ask them what’s going on and how they feel about it. Tell them about the upheavals that you remember from growing up and how you felt and how you processed.

Find an activity that occurs on a semi-regular basis that you can join, like a book club or art class or whatever, that puts you around folks of all ages.

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.
Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.
To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.
For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠
For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠
Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠
On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn.
To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com
The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com ⁠

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Today's the day Leah Sutherland finally presents her Shrek thesis. Is Shrek The Movie the voice of the millennial generation? And if so, why? At Lizness School, our academic standards are loose, but we do demand that your ideas be interesting AND entertaining.
Liz will evaluate Leah's today.
Our next episode will be our Season 2 Finale, a time of reflection by Liz on what, if anything, she's learned since her year at Stanford's Distinguished Careers Institute. She just got home from her DCI reunion in Palo Alto and has thoughts.

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.
Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.
To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.
For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠
For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠
Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠
On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn.
To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com
The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Every course has a refresher class at the end of the year so Lizness School does, too. Today you'll get a set-up for the end of season 2 and a refresher for all of Season 1. Liz and Leah review what they learned when it comes to community, purpose and wellness. After this Refresher, there are two more episodes to go this year - the Shrekisode and the Lizness School S2 Finale which Liz will do after she gets home from her Stanford DCI Reunion. Be sure to Follow or Subscribe.
Until then:
If you want to connect with Tara James about her vision to provide free college counseling to high school students who need it, email us at liznessschool@gmail.com and we will forward.
We are still interested in YOUR side quests, so email us with the deets! Voice memos are welcome, too. liznessschool@gmail.com
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If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.
Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.
For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠
For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠
Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠
On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn.
To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com
The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Side Quests are a key pillar of Lizness School. Today on Season 2 Episode 20, 3 listeners share their side quest stories with us. Thank you to Corey DuBrowa, Mary Warwick and Tara James.
More on Corey's music writing:
Corey's current book “An Ideal For Living” https://hozacrecords.com/product/aifl/
Fast Company, Corey in “day gig” mode: https://www.fastcompany.com/user/coreydubrowa
Rolling Stone, the most clicked-upon thing he's written in the music world:https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/live-report-north-by-northwest-110891/
Corey's new book coming out Spring 2026 is "Twelve Tunes From Urban Bohemia: Portland's Musical History in Song"

For more on Mary's stand-up comedy, go here: https://www.marywarwickcomedy.com/
More on Mary Warwick at Erma Bombeck's Writer's Workshop

If you want to connect with Tara James about her vision to provide free college counseling to high school students who need it, email us at liznessschool@gmail.com and we will forward.
We are still interested in YOUR side quests, so email us with the deets! Voice memos are welcome, too. liznessschool@gmail.com

THANK YOU to our podcast sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union.
To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.
Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.
To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.
For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠
For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠
Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠
On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn.
To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com
The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On today's Lizness School, we hear two stories from listeners whose big transitions were not by choice. First we talk to Kathy Douglass, who lost her husband Ron last fall. Since then, she's sold or packed or shipped everything and moved from Minnesota to a town in France she'd never even visited before. Then Liz reads from a message from Doris Matter, who shares what her life as a widow is like on what would have been her 50th wedding anniversary. There's no right way to adjust to losing a partner. There's only your way. Email us about your experience with a life-changing transition at liznessschool@gmail.com.
Also today, update from Leah who ran her half marathon! Woo hoo! And an advance look at the next few episodes including our special Side Quests episode coming up next.

Sponsor:
THANK YOU to our podcast sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union.
To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.
Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.
To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.
For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠
For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠
Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠
On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.
Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn.
To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com
The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠
Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠liznessschool@gmail.com ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.