I Wish You Could Hear This

Rebuilding trust after infidelity—or any serious betrayal—can feel impossible. How do you begin trusting someone again when that trust has been completely shattered?
In this episode, Shaunti and Jeff sit down with longtime friends Mark and Jill Savage, authors, speakers, and marriage coaches who know this journey firsthand. They share the story of the affair that nearly ended their marriage, the moment everything began to change, and the long process of rebuilding what had been broken.
Mark and Jill explain why trust isn't restored with one apology or promise to change. Instead, it comes back through consistent changed behavior over time—what they describe as rebuilding trust "one tablespoon at a time." They share practical examples of what honesty, transparency, accountability, and compassion looked like in their own recovery, as well as the role faith, humility, and grief played in their healing.
For anyone facing infidelity or another serious breach of trust, this conversation offers practical steps for moving forward—and hope that even when a marriage feels beyond repair, the story may not be over yet.
This Episode's Key Topics
Mark and Jill Savage's personal story of infidelity and recovery
The turning point that began the healing of their marriage
Why rebuilding trust requires consistent changed behavior over time
The "Trust Bathtub" and rebuilding trust one tablespoon at a time
The importance of honesty, transparency, and proactive accountability
Taking responsibility for betrayal without shifting blame
The role of grief, humility, and faith in the healing process
Hope for couples who feel like their marriage may be beyond repair
Resources
Mark and Jill Savage: markandjill.org
No More Perfect Podcast: podcast.nomoreperfect.com
Free Rebuilding Trust Guide: rebuildingtrust.us
Connect with Mark and Jill
Instagram: @jillsavage.author
Facebook: @jillsavage.author
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What if love isn’t primarily something you feel—or something you have to wait for—but something you can choose?
In this episode of I Wish You Could Hear This, Shaunti and Jeff sit down with pastor, author, and Bible teacher Chip Ingram to talk about his book I Choose Love and a radically practical way to understand biblical love.
Chip explains the difference between the feelings we associate with love and the agape love modeled by Jesus: a willful, sacrificial choice to put another person’s needs ahead of our own. And that matters whether we’re dealing with tension in a marriage, a difficult family relationship, division in the church, or someone whose views are completely different from ours.
Chip also gets personal, sharing how this understanding of love helped transform a deeply difficult season in his own marriage. The breakthrough came when he stopped focusing on how his wife needed to change and started asking what he could do differently. As Chip puts it, you can’t control another person—but you can change your part of the relationship.
You’ll also hear why loving action sometimes has to come before loving feelings, why humility and servanthood are so important, and three practical ways to become a more loving person: declare war on selfishness, attack the pride underneath it, and intentionally practice humility by putting others’ needs ahead of your own.
In this episode:
Why biblical love is much more than a feeling
The difference between agape love and romantic, friendship, and family love
What Philippians 2 teaches us about loving like Jesus
Why waiting until you feel loving can keep you stuck
How choosing obedience can begin changing our hearts
What Chip learned during a painful season in his own marriage
Why you can’t control another person—but you can change your part of the relationship
How selfishness and pride undermine love
Three practical choices that can help us become more loving
How Christians can pursue love and unity in a deeply divided culture
Why the mindset “I am second” can change the way we approach everyday relationships
Resources mentioned:
Book: I Choose Love by Chip Ingram
Living on the Edge: livingontheedge.org
Also mentioned: Good to Great in God’s Eyes by Chip Ingram
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Boys today are growing up surrounded by confusing messages about masculinity and what it means to be a man. So how can parents help their sons develop a healthy, confident understanding of who God created them to be?
Shaunti and Jeff talk with Molly DeFrank, mom of six and author of Mothering Boys: 8 Things Your Son Needs to Hear from You Before He Turns 10. Together, they explore the powerful role parents—and especially moms—play in shaping a boy’s identity, character, confidence, and understanding of masculinity.
You’ll hear practical ways to speak life into your son, recognize the unique strengths God has given him, and help him grow into a godly man of courage and character.
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Feeling overwhelmed by motherhood? Wondering how to prioritize your faith when you're barely keeping up with everyday life?
If you've ever ended the day feeling guilty because you didn't have time to read your Bible, pray, or spend quiet time with God, you're not alone.
In this episode of I Wish You Could Hear This, Shaunti and Jeff Feldhahn sit down with author, speaker, and Equipping Godly Women founder Brittany Ann to talk honestly about the challenges young Christian moms face. Together, they explore how to grow closer to God without adding more pressure to an already full life.
Brittany shares her own journey of balancing marriage, motherhood, ministry, and faith, along with practical encouragement for finding God's peace—even in the middle of exhaustion and chaos.
In This Episode You'll Learn:
Why so many Christian moms struggle with guilt over their spiritual lives
How to prioritize your relationship with God when life feels overwhelming
Practical ways to spend meaningful time with God—even if you only have a few minutes
The difference between striving for perfection and pursuing faithfulness
How to let go of unrealistic expectations and embrace God's grace
Encouragement for moms who feel spiritually dry or discouraged
Simple habits that can help you stay connected to God during busy seasons
Whether you're raising toddlers, homeschooling, juggling work and family, or simply trying to catch your breath, this conversation offers biblical encouragement and practical hope for this season of life.
Meet Our Guest
Brittany Ann is an author, speaker, podcast host, and the founder of Equipping Godly Women, a ministry dedicated to encouraging Christian women with practical, biblical wisdom for everyday life. Since launching the ministry in 2014, Brittany has reached millions of women through articles, Bible studies, books, and online resources. She and her husband are raising four children together.
Resources Mentioned
Fall in Love with God's Word by Brittany Ann https://a.co/d/000kPB4D
https://equippinggodlywomen.com/
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Summary:
Boys and men are struggling—but this isn't a reason to lose hope. In this episode, Shaunti and Jeff unpack what's happening in today's culture, why so many boys and young men are falling behind, and the simple, powerful ways each of us can make a difference. Whether you're a parent, grandparent, mentor, teacher, or friend, you'll come away with practical encouragement and renewed hope for the boys and men you love.
Resources and Links:
Nancy Pearcy “The Toxic War on Masculinity”
https://a.co/d/05CJjqrE
Hannah Rosin, The End of Men essay in The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/308135/
“If We Were Ants” short film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX23DMyzvHE
Pew Research -Public Views on Men and Masculinity
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/10/17/public-views-on-men-and-masculinity/
APA Guidelines on practice with boys and men
https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
Data tables:
Reading scores of 4th, 8th and 12th grade students – see Figure 5, 6, 7
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cnb/reading-performance
College enrollment of men v women
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/2024/cpb_508c.pdf
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d22/tables/dt22_303.10.asp
Bureau of Labor Statistics about men and women in the workforce:
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
Mortality data:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db456.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX23DMyzvHE
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