Built 4 More

Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Josh Turner on this week's episode of Built 4 More. Josh is a pastor, the founder of the 10:10 Project, and the father of Riley, a 19-year-old with a rare genetic disorder who has had 33 surgeries, sleeps on a ventilator, and just graduated high school.

When Riley was born, three doctors walked into the hospital room and told Josh and his wife Becca she would live a year and they would have to decide when to let her go. Riley is now 19, preaches across the country, and one day told her dad to stop praying for her healing because God made her this way on purpose.

In this conversation, Josh opens up about walking through suffering publicly, why he stopped asking God why, what NT Wright told him that changed everything, and the morning he lost a friend in ministry that led him to start the 10:10 Project. Joby and Denny dig into burnout, why 42 percent of pastors want to leave the ministry, the danger of success, and what it actually looks like to build rhythms that keep you healthy for the long haul.

This is one of the most honest conversations we've had on Built 4 More about suffering, faith, and what God does when you can't figure out why.

Learn more about the 10:10 Project: 1010project.com

Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Ruslan KD on this week's episode of Built 4 More.

Ruslan came to America as an Armenian refugee, found Jesus in Southern California, and built one of the most recognizable voices covering Christian content. He started as a rapper, became a commentator, wrote a book on godly ambition, and now hosts the Bless God conference.

This conversation is about what happens when the algorithm starts doing the job the local church was meant to do. Ruslan gets honest about his own turn away from the tear down content that built his platform, why the stuff that goes viral is often the worst thing for your soul, and why nobody actually gets discipled through a screen. From there the three of them dig into godly ambition versus selfish ambition, why contentment is the launchpad and not the finish line, what it looks like to love God with your body and not just your mind, and how wisdom usually shows up as restraint when the whole culture is begging you to react.

It is one of the more layered conversations we have had on the show, and it will make you rethink the content you consume and the life you are actually building.

Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Drew Parker on this week's episode of Built 4 More.

Drew Parker is one of the most successful songwriters in country music. He wrote Homemade for Jake Owen, Stay Country or Die Trying for Blake Shelton, and Doing This for Luke Combs, a song that earned a Grammy nomination for Best Country Song. Four number one songs. Stadium tours. The Grand Ole Opry. A weekend on stage with Willie Nelson. By every measure, he had made it.

But Drew had been a believer his whole life, and at the very top of his career he could not shake the feeling that something was missing. He had chased the dream all the way from a small town in Georgia to Nashville, and it still was not enough. So he prayed and asked God to make it clear what he was supposed to do next. Days later his manager called him shaking. A skeptic who had never had a kind word for faith. He said he had been waking up in the middle of the night hearing that Drew was supposed to sing songs about Jesus.

Drew walked away from his record deal at the peak of his career. He put out his testimony in a song called Blame Jesus. He is still writing country music, but now he is using the same gift to point people to Christ.

In this conversation Drew opens up about the emptiness of chasing success, what it actually costs to follow Jesus, surrendering a dream he spent his whole life building, and how God was chasing him the entire time.

Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Matt Chandler on this week's episode of Built 4 More. Matt is the lead pastor of The Village Church in Texas and has spent more than two decades as one of the most listened to pastors in the country.

Most of us were sold a version of faith that goes straight up and to the right. Follow Jesus, and life gets cleaner, easier, better. Matt's new book Becoming Like Jesus tells the truth instead. The Christian life is a coil of highs and lows, and every low is still moving you forward. The seasons that feel like failure are usually the seasons God is using to form you.

In this conversation, Joby, Denny, and Matt get into why you sin less and feel worse the longer you walk with Jesus, why we run from God when we should be running to Him, how lesser loves quietly steal our hunger for the things that matter, and why isolation is one of the enemy's most effective weapons against men. Matt also opens up about his brain cancer diagnosis and what suffering taught him about the goodness of God.

If your faith feels stuck, or you have wondered whether a hard season means you are doing something wrong, this one is for you.

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Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Pastor Tim Timberlake on this week’s episode of Built 4 More.

Tim Timberlake is a pastor, communicator, and leader at Celebration Church in Jacksonville, Florida. In this conversation, Tim opens up about the pain that shaped his life, from walking through his father’s cancer diagnosis as a young boy, running from God, getting shot at 16 years old, and eventually having a dream that changed the direction of his life forever.

Tim talks about what it means to suffer well, how pain can build humility, character, and godly integrity, and why the fruit God produces through suffering is not just for you, but for the people around you.

The conversation also goes deep on leadership, criticism, and what it looks like to keep your hands and heart clean when you are being attacked. Tim shares how he navigated one of the most painful church transitions imaginable, why he refused to clap back, and why he believes you cannot let pain, frustration, or public opinion speak for you.

They also talk about the idols of comfort and the fear of man, the character it takes to lead well, the importance of suffering with your eyes fixed on Jesus, and why the decisions you make are ultimately making you.

The guys also get into football, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Travis Hunter’s baptism, what culture really means inside a locker room, and how God can use influence, pain, leadership, and obedience for something much bigger than yourself.

If you are walking through pain, criticism, leadership pressure, spiritual warfare, or a season you never would have chosen, this episode is for you.