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Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with New York Times bestselling author Charles Martin on this week’s episode of Built 4 More. Charles walked on at Georgia Tech until a broken vertebra ended the football dream he shared with his dad. He waited hours to make the call. His dad’s answer: “If I leave right now, I can be there by supper.”

Years later, Charles turned down a six-figure job to pursue writing, while his wife Christy stood with him through 86 rejection letters. He tells those stories, shares how he and Joby began writing books together, and talks about the question behind his new book, *The Reason for Jesus*: Do you know God as your Father? This episode is about what happens when your identity falls apart, what it costs to follow a calling, and why Jesus came to make the Father known.
Preorder The Reason for Jesus: https://www.charlesmartinbooks.com/books/the-reason-for-jesus
CHAPTERS
0:00 Meet Charles Martin
1:52 Walking on at Georgia Tech
7:15 The hit that ended the football dream
10:17 “I can be there by supper”
15:15 When your son’s game becomes your identity
24:52 What happened at Saturated
33:16 Why Charles started writing at 15
39:53 A six-figure offer and a novel in a drawer
46:58 Rejection number 86
55:02 Why Charles almost said no to writing with Joby
1:07:42 “Do you think of Me as your Father?”
1:11:02 What changed when Charles prayed “Abba”
1:13:41 Why Jesus came
1:19:29 How Joby and Charles write books together
1:37:15 What the Father showed Charles about his own heart
1:39:51 No condemnation and nothing can separate you from His love
1:41:36 You are a son or daughter first

Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Shane Winnings, the CEO of Promise Keepers, on this week's episode of Built 4 More. Before he led a national men's ministry, Shane was an Army officer and jumpmaster, then a police officer in one of the most violent stretches of Washington State.
He has been shot at in war, and the thing that scared him most was walking up to a stranger to talk about Jesus. This episode is about where that fear comes from, why it hits Christians who are brave everywhere else, and the simple rule that finally beat it.
CHAPTERS
(0:00) Army officer, cop, and now the man running Promise Keepers
(2:18) The night on his bed and one sentence from God
(5:23) Quitting the badge with a pregnant wife, funded in 19 days
(8:05) Shot at in war, still scared of a stranger in a park
(9:35) The stranger you're avoiding might have prayed last night
(13:17) Joby's 14,000 foot jump with a team of Navy SEALs
(19:47) Why reps kill fear in every arena
(22:50) You cannot argue anyone into heaven
(34:30) Never apologize for the anointing
(48:43) The past that Romans 8 never mentions
(52:39) Where's the line between the pulpit and politics?
(1:11:21) Would Jesus abdicate his role as a citizen?
(1:23:58) The night Charlie Kirk died, from this studio
(1:32:35) You can hate his values. He is still a person.
(1:38:43) Demons are discipling your kids 30 feet away

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Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down and work through the questions you have been sending in, plus how the merch drop is going to run.

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Chapters:
2:09 The Big Announcement
4:30 Saturated Is Coming
10:14 Learning to Follow Jesus as a Grown Man
15:53 God's Will Is About Who You're Becoming
21:18 Six Baptisms on an Elk Hunt
23:42 Is Money the Root of All Evil?
37:52 Sin Less, Feel Worse
42:34 The Rooms You Don't Let God Into
44:29 How to Fight Addiction
58:36 Is It Wrong to Make Money in Ministry?
1:05:56 Is Online Church Enough?
1:09:49 Why You Don't Feel Close to God
1:24:09 Football Season Is Here

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Pastor Joby Martin and Denny Thompson sit down with Dr. Joel Muddamalle on this week's episode of Built 4 More.
Joel is the Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries, cohost of Therapy and Theology alongside Lysa TerKeurst, and author of The Unseen Battle.
Before any of that, Joel was a Bible software salesman at the peak of his career, traveling 150,000 miles a year while his marriage quietly fell apart. His oldest son started hiding his travel bag because he knew dad would leave when it came out.
Joel, Joby, and Denny talk about the reality of spiritual warfare and why the enemy's tactics are more subtle than most people expect. Joel breaks down the ancient pattern of temptation through what we see, what we desire, and what we take, and how that same pattern shows up today through addiction, pornography, AI, entertainment, and comfort. They get into what it means to give the enemy a foothold, what is actually discipling you and your kids, why feelings cannot be the authority over Scripture, how to test the words God told me, and why ordinary obedience in the smallest task matters more than chasing outcomes.

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Chapters:
02:17 – I'm Saved. Why Do I Still Feel Guilty?
08:49 – How to Find Your Spiritual Gift
12:39 – How to Build a Real Connection With God
17:44 – Who You Hang Around Matters
21:29 – What Full Surrender Actually Looks Like
26:16 – If You Won't Wake Up for It, You Don't Want It
30:26 – How to Explain Jesus to a Nonbeliever
33:29 – Communicating Needs Without Nagging
36:00 – Vulnerability in Marriage
42:37 – How to Choose a Home Church
49:17 – Is Gambling a Sin or Just Dumb?
55:24 – Could Jesus Have Sinned?
01:02:27 – The Most Important Trait of Biblical Manhood
01:05:26 – Can Women Be Pastors?