In this episode, I sit down with Steve Radford to unpack what selling actually looks like in the real world - especially when you’re early in your sales career, hate cold calling, or feel uncomfortable “being salesy”. Steve has spent years building sales apprenticeships and training teams, and this conversation goes deep into the mindset shifts that make selling feel more human and far more effective.
We talk honestly about why so many people fear contacting prospects, why discovery calls feel overwhelming, and how sales models can sometimes get in the way of genuine conversations. Steve explains why sales isn’t about persuasion or pressure, but about helping people make informed decisions - and how reframing selling this way changes everything from cold outreach to closing deals.
We also explore conversational selling in practice: how to prepare without over-preparing, how to know when you’ve uncovered the real problem (not just the surface one), and why talking too early about your solution is one of the most common mistakes - even for experienced salespeople. Steve shares practical ways to simplify questioning, stay present in conversations, and build trust without trying to “perform”.
Beyond technique, we get into how AI is reshaping sales roles, why bad SDRs are at risk, and what actually makes a salesperson valuable in a world full of automation. We finish by discussing why sales is becoming more complex - not less - and why human judgement, curiosity, and empathy are the skills that will future-proof your career.
If you’re in sales, running a business, or simply trying to get more comfortable selling yourself and your ideas, this episode will change how you think about selling.