The Clever Girls Know Podcast With Bola Sokunbi

On this episode of the podcast, we're joined by Laney of Design by Laney for a practical conversation about what it really takes to turn creative talent into a profitable, sustainable business.
After building her own career as a stationery and invitation designer, Laney began helping other designers and creatives develop the business skills they need to get fully booked, price their work confidently, and actually make money from what they create. 
Through her "no starving artists" philosophy, she challenges the idea that pursuing creative work has to mean sacrificing financial stability. In this episode, Laney shares lessons from building her own business, including finding customers, pricing for profit, understanding the numbers behind a creative business, navigating growth, stepping into the role of CEO, and using entrepreneurship as a tool for building personal wealth.
 
What Laney Discussed on the Podcast:
Her journey from stationery designer to helping other creatives build profitable businesses.
The philosophy behind creating a "no starving artists" zone for creative entrepreneurs.
Why creative women can struggle to see themselves as both artists and business owners.
How she found her first customers and realized her creative work could become a real business.
The financial realities of the early stages of entrepreneurship and learning how to become profitable.
How creatives can confidently price their work and recognize when they're undercharging.
The financial numbers creative entrepreneurs should track beyond revenue.
The growing pains that can come with a more successful and increasingly complex business.
Shifting from doing the creative work to thinking and making decisions like a CEO.
How entrepreneurship has influenced her approach to saving, investing, and building personal wealth.
What separates creatives who build sustainable businesses from those who remain financially stuck.
Advice for talented creatives who aren't yet earning what they want from their work.
 
How to Keep Up With Laney:
Learn more about Laney and her resources for creative entrepreneurs through https://designbylaney.com
Follow @DesignbyLaney on social media for business, pricing, and profitability tips for creatives.

 
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Hard work can help you earn more money and build financial security, but hard work alone won't make you wealthy. At some point, building real wealth requires a shift in how you think about money, risk, time, opportunity, investing, and even yourself.
After more than a decade of helping women improve their finances, and through my own journey from aggressively saving my first $100,000 to investing, building a business, and creating multiple pillars of wealth, I've learned that every new financial level can require something different from you. 
What you'll learn:
Five identity shifts that can become increasingly important as you build wealth.
How being overly afraid of losing money can keep you from taking smart, calculated risks
Why struggle is not proof that you deserve success
How old financial identities can keep you stuck
Why your decisions need to reflect where you're going instead of only where you've been
And why earning more money alone isn't enough to create lasting wealth
Because the habits that help you save your first $10,000 may not be the same habits that help you build your first $500,000. And sometimes the next financial decision isn't difficult because the math is complicated. It's difficult because it requires you to see yourself differently.
 
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After nearly 20 years of investing through market highs, crashes, uncertainty, and everything in between, the biggest investing lessons I've learned have surprisingly little to do with picking the right stocks or predicting the market. They have much more to do with patience, consistency, managing risk, understanding market volatility, and learning how to stay invested when your emotions are telling you to do something else.
What you'll learn:
What nearly two decades of investing have taught me about building long-term wealth
Why compounding can feel incredibly boring before it becomes powerful
Why your relationship with risk should change as your life changes
And why you don't need to predict the stock market to become a successful long-term investor
And one of the most important things I've learned is this: investing isn't only a financial skill. It's a behavioral one. If you're investing for retirement, working toward financial independence, building generational wealth, or simply trying to become a more confident investor, I hope these lessons help you think beyond what to invest in and focus on the habits that can actually keep you investing for decades.
 
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On this episode of the podcast, we're joined by Esther Bangura, a UK-based neurodivergent money coach, researcher, and podcast host, for an important conversation about managing money with ADHD and neurodivergence.
After receiving an ADHD diagnosis as an adult, Esther began to understand that many of the financial challenges she had experienced including debt, avoidance, overwhelm, and stress spending, weren't simply about a lack of discipline. That realization transformed the way she approached her own finances and ultimately shaped the work she does today helping neurodivergent adults build calmer, shame-free money systems.
In this episode, Esther shares how neurodivergence can affect financial behaviors, why traditional budgeting and willpower-based advice may not work for everyone, and practical ways to use automation, simplification, and personalized systems to make managing money easier and more sustainable.
What Esther Discussed on the Podcast:
What neurodivergence means and how it can influence money management.
How her adult ADHD diagnosis changed the way she understood her past financial struggles.
Why difficulty managing money isn't always a discipline or willpower problem.
The impact of executive function, emotional regulation, and overwhelm on financial behaviors.
Understanding financial avoidance and practical ways to interrupt the cycle.
Strategies for creating a pause between an impulse to spend and making a purchase.
What a more neurodivergent-friendly approach to budgeting can look like.
Using automation, separate accounts, reminders, and visual cues to reduce the mental load of managing money.
Addressing debt without allowing shame to prevent financial progress.
Recognizing when a financial system needs more consistency versus when the system simply isn't a good fit.
Creating a calmer relationship with money for anyone who has internalized the belief that they're "bad with money."
AND SO MUCH MORE
 
How to Keep Up With Esther:
Follow Esther Bangura on Instagram: @bossofmymoney
Learn more about Esther Bangura and her work: estherbangura.com
Tune into her podcast - Neurodivergent Money Management: https://open.spotify.com/show/0GzXmbU6LwVtMF3DmJcBGm
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What do financially successful women have in common?
After more than a decade of building Clever Girl Finance and speaking with hundreds of women who have built significant wealth, I've noticed something: they didn't all start in the same place, follow the same investing strategy, or build wealth at the same age. But there is one trait I see again and again: they take ownership of building their wealth.
In this episode, I'm breaking down what that actually looks like and four behaviors you can start practicing in your own financial life.
What you'll learn:
The #1 trait I've consistently observed in financially successful women
Why taking ownership of your finances does not mean knowing everything about money
Why wealthy women aren't afraid to ask questions or admit what they don't know
How financially successful women think about risk, investing, career opportunities, and entrepreneurship
Why understanding both the potential downside and upside matters when making financial decisions
How playing the long game can help your saving, investing, income, and financial decisions compound over time
Why building wealth isn't about being fearless or financially perfect 
How to become a more active participant in your own financial future 
Building wealth isn't one perfect decision or one lucky break. It's learning, making informed decisions, taking calculated risks, adjusting when life changes, and staying in the game long enough for your decisions to compound.
 
Latest Book - Clever Girl Millionaire; A Guide to Redefining What's Possible, Turning Ambitions into Actions, and Dreams into Millions - Available to order now
 
More Clever Girl Finance Resources:
👋 New to Clever Girl Finance? Start here: https://clevergirlfinance.com/start-here
❤ Get the best-selling Clever Girl Finance Books: clevergirlfinance.com/books
❤ Get access to 30+ free courses, worksheets, savings challenges, and our favorite banking resources: clevergirlfinance.com/course-packages
❤ Read the Clever Girl Finance Blog: clevergirlfinance.com/blog
❤ Follow us on Instagram: @clevergirlfinance