Service Business Mastery for Skilled Trades: HVAC, Plumbing & Electrical Home Service

Home services marketing has a hidden battleground, and most owners never fund it. It is the messy middle, the 40 to 100 days a homeowner spends circling a project before they ever search your name. Rick Brown and Carole Lawson of MarketStorm have spent years mapping that window, and what happens inside it decides who gets the call. In this episode, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Rick, CEO and co-founder of MarketStorm, and Carole, its co-founder and chief data officer and a Harvard-trained data scientist, to break down how buyer behavior changed after the pandemic and why the last click is no longer the whole story. You will hear why a competitor can outrank you on your own brand name, the 50/50 split Google now recommends between upper and lower funnel, and how one plumbing company chased last-click reporting from 10 million back down to 2. This episode is brought to you by UpFrog. They turn paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com. CHAPTERS 0:00 – The Hidden Battleground in Home Services Marketing 2:32 – Meet Rick Brown and Carole Lawson of MarketStorm 4:47 – What MarketStorm Does: Catching Buyer Intent Early 6:25 – The Messy Middle and How Buyer Behavior Changed 8:23 – Why a Competitor Can Outrank You on Your Own Name 11:50 – The Death of Legacy Customer Loyalty 13:47 – The 50/50 Split Between Upper and Lower Funnel 15:12 – Where 83 Percent of Online Attention Actually Lives 17:30 – How a 10 Million Dollar Shop Chased Last Click and Shrank 29:30 – Why Google Calls Itself a Marketing Company Now 41:30 – Inside the 45 Day Buyer Journey 58:18 – Measure What Matters, Not Just What Is Easy WHAT YOU'LL LEARN - Why home services marketing now runs through the messy middle, the 40 to 100 days before a homeowner ever searches your name - How a competitor who shows up more often can outrank you on Google even when someone searches for your exact brand - Why Google now points to a 50/50 split between upper funnel influence and lower funnel search - Where the other 83 percent of online attention lives, and how programmatic ads reach it across streaming, apps, and the open web - What chasing last-click reporting actually costs, told through a plumbing company that shrank from 10 million back to 2 THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY UPFROG System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com TRAINUAL Trainual is an AI-powered training and knowledge platform for growing teams. Describe the training you need and it builds the steps, structure, and quiz: https://trainual.com/ MARKETSTORM An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https://marketstorm.ai/ CALLRAIL CallRail's Voice Assist is a 24/7 AI voice assistant that answers every call, handles customer questions, and books jobs directly onto your calendar, all without you ever having to step away from the current job. Try Voice Assist for free today at voiceassist.com BREEZY Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https://getbreezyapp.com/schedule-demo?utm_source=partner_servicebusinessmastery&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=servicebusinessmastery_partnership&utm_content=youtube_video PHONETAP Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai/demo COMPANYCAM Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https://companycam.com/ CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST Tersh Blissett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tershblissett/ Josh Crouch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-crouch/ Rick Brown, CEO and Co-Founder of MarketStorm: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketstormrick/ Carole Lawson, Co-Founder and Chief Data Officer of MarketStorm: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroleslawson/ MarketStorm: https://marketstorm.ai/ ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https://servicebusinessmastery.com/ Subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode. If this one helped, share it with an owner who needs it. #ServiceBusinessMastery #HomeServices #HomeServicesMarketing #DigitalMarketing #MarketStorm

Doing more does not scale your business. It stalls it. Diluted focus gets you diluted results, and the owners who grow fastest are usually the ones doing fewer things, not more. In this episode of Service Business Mastery, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Josh Zolin, CEO of Windy City Equipment Service and author of Blue is the New White, on how one simple shift, a single company wide focus every 90 days, took the guesswork out of hitting his goals. Josh breaks down how he points his entire company, from himself to the parts runner, at one goal each quarter, why focusing on less feels scarier than it should, how your role as the owner keeps changing as you scale, and the leadership habit that quietly runs off your best technicians. If you run a home service business and you are busy all day but not moving the way you want, this conversation is the reset. This episode is brought to you in partnership with Upfrog, one of our show partners. Upfrog turns paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com. CHAPTERS 0:00 – Why Diluted Focus Gets You Diluted Results 2:31 – Meet Josh Zolin: Blue is the New White and Windy City 8:15 – The Identity Shift Every Owner Faces as They Scale 11:49 – The Unteachable Lessons You Have to Learn Yourself 14:40 – Why More Information Is Making Us Learn Slower 17:23 – AI as the Trades' Best Recruiter 20:25 – Navigating Private Equity as a Small Operator 27:12 – The 90 Day Single Focus System That Hits Goals Every Time 29:10 – Focusing on One Thing Without Letting the Rest Fall Apart 32:19 – The In-N-Out Lesson: Do Fewer Things, Better 35:26 – Why Focusing on Less Feels Scary, and How to Lead Through It 38:25 – Four Big Things a Year: Segmenting Focus Across Profit Centers 40:32 – Parkinson's Law: Use Time as a Tool 44:00 – Why 80% Done by Someone Else Is 100% Awesome 46:00 – The Perfectionist Tech Trap and Unspoken Expectations 49:40 – Where to Find Josh: Book, Podcast, and Academy WHAT YOU'LL LEARN - The one shift that lets you hit your quarterly goals every time: a single company wide focus every 90 days - Why doing less feels scarier than doing more, and how to lead your team through it - How your job as the owner keeps changing as you scale, and how to stay valuable - Why more information can make you and your team learn slower, not faster - How small operators actually beat private equity, and why it comes down to culture - The leadership habit that quietly runs off your best technicians - Why 80% done by someone else is 100% awesome, and how perfectionism keeps you small THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY UPFROG System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com MARKETSTORM An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https://marketstorm.ai/ CALLRAIL CallRail's Voice Assist is a 24/7 AI voice assistant that answers every call, handles customer questions, and books jobs directly onto your calendar, all without you ever having to step away from the current job. Try Voice Assist for free today at voiceassist.com BREEZY Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https://bit.ly/4ihjXkx PHONETAP Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai/demo COMPANYCAM Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https://companycam.com/ CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST Tersh Blissett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tershblissett/ Josh Crouch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-crouch/ Josh Zolin, Windy City Equipment Service: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshzolin/ https://joshzolin.com (his book, podcast, and academy are all there) ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https://servicebusinessmastery.com/ Want the frameworks from each episode in your inbox? Join the free Service Business Mastery newsletter: [ADD: SBM newsletter link] Subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode. If this one helped, share it with an owner who needs it. #ServiceBusinessMastery #HomeServices #Leadership #BusinessScaling #Trades

Service Scout (14 day free trial): https://getservicescout.com/demo.html

This is the toughest year to close a sale in home services since 2008. Equipment costs more than ever, credit is tighter, and the customers calling for a replacement are the hardest ones to sell. The problem usually is not your leads. It is what happens when your technician walks in the door.

In this episode of Service Business Mastery, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Justin Riley, CEO and founder of UpFrog, for a straight read on the 2026 home services market and how the best companies are still closing jobs hand over fist.

Justin breaks down why likability now beats price, why repair and maintenance calls are the easier win this year, how to lead with the right financing so a customer with tough credit still says yes, and the new tool he built, Service Scout, that briefs your tech on the home, the buyer, and the strategy in 90 seconds before every call.

If close rate is where your money leaks this year, this one is the fix.

This episode is brought to you in partnership with Upfrog, one of our show partners. Fitting, since today's guest is Upfrog's founder. Upfrog turns paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com.

CHAPTERS

0:00 – Raise Your Close Rate by Listening for 90 Seconds
3:01 – From HVAC Apprentice to Founding UpFrog
7:11 – The State of the 2026 Market: Toughest Since 2008
9:04 – Why Close Rate Is the Number One Problem This Year
11:45 – Why Customers Shop for Who They Like, Not Price
13:00 – Why Repair and Maintenance Calls Are the Easier Win
14:03 – The Average Ticket Meat Zone and the Credit Ceiling
17:01 – How Service Scout Was Born
19:12 – Inside a Service Scout Pre Appointment Intelligence Brief
23:30 – The Results: A 5 to 14% Close Rate Lift
24:12 – Leading With the Right Financing to Win Tough Credit
28:02 – Handling the Data Responsibly
31:27 – The Reporting Most Contractors Have Never Seen
33:11 – The Pricing and the ROI Math
36:53 – AI Should Make Your People Super, Not Replace Them
49:30 – The Number One Reason Close Rates Are Down

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

- Why 2026 is the hardest year to close a home services sale since 2008, and where the money is actually leaking
- Why likability now beats price, and why the replacement estimate is the hardest call to win
- How a 90 second pre appointment brief can lift your close rate 5 to 14%
- How to lead with the right financing so a customer with tough credit still says yes
- What you can learn about a home before the visit, and how to use it without crossing a line
- Why the real IP of a home service business is your people, not your AI stack

THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY

UPFROG
System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com

MARKETSTORM
An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https://marketstorm.ai/

CALLRAIL
CallRail's Voice Assist is a 24/7 AI voice assistant that answers every call, handles customer questions, and books jobs directly onto your calendar, all without you ever having to step away from the current job. Try Voice Assist for free today at voiceassist.com

BREEZY
Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https://bit.ly/4ihjXkx


PHONETAP
Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai/demo

COMPANYCAM
Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https://companycam.com/

CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST

Tersh Blissett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tershblissett/
Josh Crouch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-crouch/
Justin Riley, CEO and Founder of UpFrog: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justintriley/
UpFrog: https://upfrog.com
Service Scout (14 day free trial): https://getservicescout.com/demo.html

ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY

Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https://servicebusinessmastery.com/

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Most companies do not last. A huge share of the biggest names in the world vanish within a few decades. The Smith & Oby Company has been running since 1898. In this episode of Service Business Mastery, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Jake Wattenbarger, president of Smith & Oby, a Foundral brand, a Cleveland mechanical contractor that has stayed relevant for 125 years by reading the market before it forces the issue, and by building systems and a culture that outlast any one person. Jake spent nearly a decade as an Army logistics officer before the trades, and it shows. He gets into why you never cross the finish line, how to build a business you can hand down instead of sell off, why you do not have to sell to make real money, and how culture and a talent pipeline keep a union shop winning the big jobs. If you want to build a trades business that lasts for generations, not just one you flip, this is the blueprint. This episode is brought to you in partnership with Upfrog, one of our show partners. Upfrog turns paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com. CHAPTERS 0:00 – Why You Never Cross the Finish Line 2:33 – From Combat Engineer to Mechanical Contractor 4:19 – Logistics Before Tactics: Structure and Accountability 8:28 – Advice for Anyone Starting Their Own Business 11:04 – Still Standing Since 1898: A 125 Year Old Contractor 12:47 – You Don't Have to Sell Your Business to Make Money 14:05 – The 40 Year Employees Behind a Lasting Company 15:15 – Recruiting Into the Commercial Trades and the Union Hall 18:06 – Building a Talent Pipeline When the Hall Can't Keep Up 18:51 – What Union Labor Really Costs, and Why It's Worth It 22:20 – Competing on Best Value, Not Lowest Bid 26:22 – Building Culture Inside a Union Shop 29:44 – Empowering Field Leaders Who Still Turn Wrenches 34:46 – Adapt or Become Polaroid: Reading the Market Early 35:26 – Staying Ahead With VDC and Investing in the Shop 46:01 – Where to Find Jake WHAT YOU'LL LEARN - Why the best businesses never cross the finish line, and how to read the market before it pushes you out - How to build a trades business you can hand down, instead of one built only to sell - Why you do not have to sell your company to make serious money - The Army logistics mindset that runs a business: structure before action, logistics before tactics - How to build a talent pipeline when the union hall cannot fill your jobs fast enough - What union labor really costs, and why best value beats lowest bid - How to build culture in a union shop, where there is no PTO by default - How investing in your shop and technology turns into margin, not just cost THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY UPFROG System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com MARKETSTORM An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https://marketstorm.ai/ CALLRAIL CallRail assigns a unique tracking number to each marketing effort, so you know which channels bring your best leads. Try it free at https://callrail.com/sbmpod. BREEZY Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https://getbreezyapp.com/schedule-demo?utm_source=partner_servicebusinessmastery&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=servicebusinessmastery_partnership&utm_content=youtube_video PHONETAP Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai/demo COMPANYCAM Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https://companycam.com/ CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST Tersh Blissett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tershblissett/ Josh Crouch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-crouch/ Jake Wattenbarger, The Smith & Oby Company: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakewattenbarger/ | https://smithandoby.com ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https://servicebusinessmastery.com/ Want the frameworks from each episode in your inbox? Join the free Service Business Mastery newsletter: [newsletter link] Subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode. If this one helped, share it with an owner who needs it. #ServiceBusinessMastery #Trades #FamilyBusiness #MechanicalContractor #SkilledTrades

Private equity is buying up home service companies and quietly gutting the good ones, and most owners think their only options are to sell or get outspent. There is a third one.
 
In this episode of Service Business Mastery, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Zach Cooper-Vastola, co-founder of Hickory, who has bought and built home service companies across the tri-state to roughly 350 people and 80 million dollars in revenue, without ever running them from an ivory tower.
 
Zach breaks down how he keeps technicians from walking out the door after an acquisition, why he refuses to put AI on the phones with customers, how his team builds their own tools instead of renting SaaS, and the data unlock that lets two CSRs run at the scale of a 30 person team.
 
If you run a home service business and you are tired of hearing that AI just means replacing your people, this one flips the script.
 
This episode is brought to you in partnership with Upfrog, one of our show partners. Upfrog turns paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com.
 
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
 
- How to keep your technicians from walking out the door after an acquisition
- Why changing pay structures on day one is the fastest way to lose your team
- How to read a company's real culture by walking the warehouse, before you ever see the financials
- What buy and build owners look for that a private equity roll up ignores
- How to underwrite an early stage AI vendor before you bet six figures on it
- Why building your own tools can beat renting SaaS once you hit scale
- How making the humans super with data beats putting AI on the phones
- The data unlock that lets two CSRs run at the scale of a 30 person team
 
THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY
 
UPFROG
System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com
 
MARKETSTORM
An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https://marketstorm.ai/ 
 
CALLRAIL
CallRail assigns a unique tracking number to each marketing effort, so you know which channels bring your best leads. Try it free at https://callrail.com/sbmpod.
 
BREEZY
Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https://getbreezyapp.com/schedule-demo 
 
PHONETAP
Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai/demo
 
COMPANYCAM
Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https://companycam.com/
 
CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST
 
Tersh Blissett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tershblissett/
Josh Crouch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-crouch/
Zach Cooper-Vastola, Hickory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-c-8b881969/ 
 
ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY
 
Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https://servicebusinessmastery.com/ 
 
Subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode. If this one helped, share it with an owner who needs it.
 
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