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What if you could earn real estate-backed income without owning or operating the property? Shawn Muneio joins Chris Lopez to explain how investors can access private credit through performing second-lien mortgages and why today’s high-interest-rate environment has created new opportunities in this overlooked corner of the debt market.

Shawn breaks down how these loans are sourced, what protects investors when a borrower falls behind, and why equity coverage matters when investing from the second position. They also discuss Regulation A bonds, how they differ from traditional LP investments, and how nonperforming debt can offer an alternative way to source real estate.

Key takeaways:

• Why second-lien mortgages are becoming more common

• How equity coverage can protect junior-lien investors

• What happens when a borrower stops making payments

• How Regulation A bonds differ from traditional LP investments

• Why some investors prefer receiving a 1099 instead of a K-1

• How nonperforming debt can uncover off-market real estate opportunities

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Ryan Watts of Red River Development returns to PassivePockets for an LP Deal Review of the firm’s latest build-to-rent project: a 206-home community currently under construction in Waco, Texas. Ryan walks Chris, Christy Burakovsky, and Pascal Wagner through the project’s capital structure, construction progress, market thesis, and projected exit strategy and explains why Red River believes this point in the development cycle may offer a compelling setup for new BTR supply.

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Kevin Amolsch returns to PassivePockets to take Chris behind the scenes of private lending and debt funds from how lenders actually make money to the underwriting decisions that determine whether investor capital stays protected when a deal goes sideways.

Kevin has been lending to real estate investors for nearly two decades through Pine Financial Group, and he walks through how the business evolved from brokering individual private loans into managing diversified debt funds. He explains why Pine prioritizes return of capital over maximizing return on capital, how its fund economics are structured, and why the company is willing to make underwriting more difficult for borrowers if it means creating a larger margin of safety for LPs.

Chris and Kevin dig into the actual credit box behind these loans: loan-to-ARV limits, borrower liquidity, personal guarantees, credit history, monthly payments, construction draws, and why Kevin will automatically pass on certain out-of-market borrowers. Kevin also explains why Pine is willing in some cases to finance nearly an entire project if the underlying economics and after-repair value create enough protection.

The conversation also gets into what happens when things go wrong. Kevin shares how Pine evaluates REOs, when taking a loss today may be smarter than holding a property for years, why liquidity mismatches can create problems even when the underlying assets are performing, and how the firm uses leverage conservatively rather than simply maximizing it to boost returns.

They also discuss fraud risk in private lending, the importance of title insurance and draw controls, and the operational safeguards Kevin believes investors should look for in a debt fund, including audited financials, third-party administration, and outside diligence. Finally, Kevin shares what he’s investing in personally outside of lending—including retail, industrial, and a troubled industrial development where he ultimately chose to buy one of the buildings rather than walk away from his original investment.

Key Takeaways

How private lending evolved from individual hard-money loans into diversified debt funds

Why Pine Financial prioritizes loan-to-ARV, borrower liquidity, guarantees, and monthly payments in its underwriting

How debt fund economics work—from preferred returns and management fees to origination income and leverage

Why Kevin views return of capital as more important than maximizing return on capital

How lenders decide whether to foreclose, hold an REO, take a loss, or redeploy capital

Why liquidity mismatches can create redemption problems even when a loan portfolio is still performing

How conservative versus aggressive fund leverage can materially change both returns and risk

The fraud controls Kevin uses around construction draws, title work, and lien priority

Why audited financials, third-party administration, and independent diligence matter when evaluating a debt fund

What Kevin is investing in personally today across retail and industrial real estate

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Episode #289

This Episode

Pascal Wagner joins Chris Lopez for a deeper one-on-one conversation about his investing journey, portfolio strategy, and current approach to risk, cash flow, and diversification. Pascal shares how he started in real estate through house hacking and single-family rentals, later gained experience deploying capital at a venture capital fund, and eventually became the financial steward for his family after his father passed away.

Chris and Pascal unpack how that responsibility shaped Pascal’s investment philosophy: stabilize cash flow first, avoid catastrophic losses, and only take bigger swings once the portfolio can support long-term family needs. Pascal explains why he moved heavily into debt funds, how he thinks about laddering fixed-income investments for liquidity, and why he is now looking to gradually reduce some of that exposure as better equity opportunities emerge.

The conversation also gets into the tension many LPs face right now: wanting cash flow, wanting tax efficiency, needing diversification, and trying not to become “dumb money” in an unfamiliar asset class. Pascal shares the areas he’s watching most closely, including distressed/repositioning opportunities, office-to-medical-office conversions, hotel-to-multifamily conversions, single-family rentals, private credit, medical receivables, and other non-real-estate income strategies.

Chris and Pascal also debate how much conviction an investor should build before writing checks in a new asset class, why seeing enough deal flow matters, and why meeting with ten operators in the same strategy can teach you more than any checklist alone. For investors trying to deploy capital in a fragmented private market, this episode is a practical reminder that patience, process, and reps matter.

Key takeaways:

How Pascal went from house hacking to managing a multimillion-dollar family portfolio

Why cash flow became the first constraint in his portfolio strategy

How Pascal uses debt funds as a stabilizing layer while staying patient for better deals

Why diversification matters, but only after you understand the asset class well enough to avoid bad risks

How taxes, liquidity, and ordinary income influence portfolio rebalancing decisions

Why Pascal is watching repositioning strategies like office-to-medical-office and hotel-to-multifamily conversions

How investors can build conviction by studying more deals and talking to multiple operators before investing

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Alicia Miller joins PassivePockets to break down Qualified Opportunity Zones, why they matter for real estate investors, and how they can fit into an active-to-passive transition strategy. Chris and Alicia start with the basics: what a QOZ is, how the original program worked, and why investors with capital gains from selling real estate, a business, or other appreciated assets may want to understand this structure before making their next move.

They walk through the key differences between QOZ investing and a 1031 exchange, including why QOZs only require investors to reinvest the capital gain, not the full sale proceeds, and why the money does not need to be held by a qualified intermediary. Alicia also explains the original QOZ timeline, the upcoming shift into QOZ 2.0, and how the new version creates a rolling five-year capital gains deferral with a 10% reduction, or 30% for qualifying rural investments.

Chris and Alicia also dig into a timely QOZ 1.0 strategy: using a valuation study on a development project that has broken ground but is not yet cash flowing. Alicia explains how this could potentially create an upfront capital gains deduction before the original program sunsets, why the timing matters, and how investors should think about the trade-offs between tax benefits, development risk, and long-term hold periods.

Key takeaways:

What Qualified Opportunity Zones are and why they were created

How QOZs can help landlords move from active ownership into passive investments

Why QOZs differ from 1031 exchanges in timelines, reinvestment rules, and flexibility

How QOZ 1.0 allowed investors to defer gains until the end of 2026 and potentially receive deductions based on hold period

What changes under QOZ 2.0, including rolling five-year deferrals and new zone designations

Why the 10-year hold remains the major long-term tax benefit for QOZ investors

How valuation studies may create a unique window for certain QOZ 1.0 development investments

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