DER Task Force

We’re back! This time with a solo pod. We continue our tradition of talking about New Year’s resolutions, unpacking DERVOS ‘25, and looking ahead to DERVOS ‘26 and beyond. We feel we’re at the start of a new epoch—rather, DERcade—so we try to tee up the key themes and what we’re interested in exploring for the next 10 years.
We get into what’s up at Scale and David Energy, permissionless DERs, scalability, affordability and electricity being the super topic on the national stage in ‘26 for the first time, how it’s going to be real weird and messy, electrostates being The Thing, institutional decay in the US and on the grid, nimbyism and how some states are going to get left behind, building mainstream narratives, AI and data centers, and so much more!


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Our final discussion of DERVOS 2025 was a panel on the ramifications of electricity becoming the primary lever of economic and geopolitical might.
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This year James solidified the newfound tradition of saving the arguably wonkiest discussion for the end of the day. It did not disappoint. The topic at hand is the emergence of electrostates, where electricity is the dominant energy input to a nation’s power and security. There is no question that China will likely be the first electrostate. In the first half of 2025 alone, for instance, it built about 250 GW of solar, more than twice as much solar capacity as the rest of the world combined (in May alone, it built an eye-popping 93 GW).
It’s not just about renewables build out. China owns and has mastered the electrotech stack, argues Impluse’s Sam D’amico, which includes lithium-ion batteries, magnets and electric motors, power electronics and embedded computing. But that doesn’t mean it’s not happening in the U.S. Here it is unsurprisingly messier, slower, and certainly hampered by our fossil fuel riches. Grab some popcorn for hot takes on how this plays out here and around the globe.
Speakers:
* Drew Baglino, Founder and CEO, Heron Power
* Tristan Doherty, Chief Product Officer, LG Energy Solution Vertech
* Sam D’Amico, Founder and CEO, Impulse
* Daan Walter, Principal, Ember Futures
* James McGinniss - Founder and CEO, David Energy


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Our third discussion of DERVOS 2025 was a panel on how the hell we’re going to deploy and orchestrate a massive new fleet of distributed energy systems to fill a rapidly growing electricity demand gap.
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DERs are kind of having a moment. Whether you call their orchestration virtual power plants, distributed power plants, or think both those descriptions suck, the reality is that there’s a convergence of technology and need for energy assets that can be deployed quickly.
No longer a cute side show (duh), DERs are being deployed at scale. This discussion brings together folks with the battle scars of early days of DER deployment who are leading the charge now that affordability and capacity constraints are the calling card of the day. Come for the deep dive on program design, stay for the shade thrown at California.
Speakers:
* Ryan Long, Executive Vice President, Xcel Energy
* Seth Frader-Thompson, Co-Founder and CEO, EnergyHub
* Dana Guernsey, co-founder and CEO, Voltus
* Chris Rauscher, VP of Grid Services & Electrification, Sunrun
* Moderator - Colleen Metelitsa, Senior Director, Strategy, Scale Microgrids


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Our second discussion of DERVOS 2025 was a panel on a revolutionary new class of distributed energy systems that require little to no permission to install.
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We’ve been talking about permissionless DERs on the pod for a long time, so it seemed only right to bring together some of the folks on the forefront of this class of technology to talk about who wants it, how to get it to them, and what it means for the grid.
While this may be new fangled technology here, Germans have been plugging in solar panels into wall sockets for the past few years. So many Germans, in fact, that there’s more than 4 million households who have one of these units.
Oddly, the permissionless revolution started in earnest in the U.S. in Utah, which was the first state to codify the rules for these DERs. But that’s just the beginning. Check out the discussion on which states are next, what utilities and standards organizations think about it, and why you should think of plug-in solar and storage as just another appliance in your home, and how these systems are relevant to commercial and indstrial energy users as well.
Speakers:
* Cole Ashman, Founder & CEO, Pila Energy
* Bala Ramamurthy, Co-Founder and CEO, Critical Loop
* Stephan Scherer, co-founder, Craftstrom Solar
* Kevin Chou, Co-founder & Executive Director, Brightsaver
* Moderator, Duncan Campbell, VP, Data Center Solutions, Scale Microgrids


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We kicked off the first discussion of DEROVS 2025 with a panel titled “Big DERs Energy”.
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The AI-power nexus isn’t just the domain of energy nerds these days, but we brought some together anyway to go deep about what role DERs play as data centers proliferate. Google’s Hallie Carrao noted speed to power is essential, and that’s where behind-the-meter and distributed solutions come in.
Can the regulatory system adapt fast enough for smarter and faster planning? Given the load volatility of data centers, is there any way that batteries don’t have a large role to play? To what extent will data center load itself act as a DER? What role might direct current play? Watch the whole panel to get into the weeds on the energy topic even normies are talking about.
Speakers:
* Hallie Carrao, Technical Program Manager, Advanced Energy Labs, Google’s Advanced Energy Labs
* Sean Jones, Sr Staff Business Development Manager, Megapack for Data Centers, Tesla
* Tyler Norris, James B. Duke Fellow, Duke University (now at Google)
* Vic Shao, Founder & CEO, DC Grid
* Moderator - Duncan Campbell, VP, Data Center Solutions, Scale Microgrids


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