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• PGIM's Phil Waldeck - the intersection of insurance and asset management

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode is with an experienced asset allocator who has operated at the intersection of insurance and asset management throughout his career.We sat down in Prudential’s Newark studio with  PGIM’s Head of Multi-Asset and Quantitative Solutions, Phil Waldeck. Phil is responsible for nearly $140B in AUM, where the business unit leverages PGIM’s deep public and private markets expertise for the purpose of developing customized portfolio solutions to meet insurer and other investors’ unique objectives. Phil previously served as Chief Transformation Officer at Prudential, CEO of Prudential’s Workplace Solutions Group, and as president of Prudential’s retirement business, which comprised of $250B in assets. Phil was also the architect of Prudential’s pension risk transfer business, which he grew to over $170B. Phil and I had a fascinating conversation about the intersections between insurance and asset management. We covered:The evolution of how insurers allocate to private markets.The importance of asset liability management.How insurers are leveraging their balance sheet to invest in private markets and collaborate with alternative asset managers.How insurance and asset management interact and the benefits of an integrated platform.How PGIM's $1T in public and private credit informs how they invest.Why insurers are allocating to private credit.Thanks Phil for sharing your perspectives and wisdom on insurance and private markets. We hope you enjoy.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus01:23 Welcome to Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:03 Guest Introduction: Phil Waldeck03:29 Insurance and Asset Management Intersection04:51 Understanding Asset Liability Management (ALM)05:41 Liquidity and Private Markets07:08 ALM in Wealth Management10:44 Private Credit and Insurers11:31 Private Credit Flavors and Strategies12:42 Origination and Credit Culture14:32 Talent and Culture at PGIM15:06 Private Credit's Role in the Economy17:01 Borrowers Choosing Private Over Public Credit18:36 Public and Private Credit Blurring Lines19:00 Global Credit Capabilities20:09 Fewer Manager Relationships in Private Markets24:57 Challenges in Private Markets27:02 Underwriting Discipline in Private Credit27:34 Private Credit Market Growth30:22 Global Opportunities in Private Credit31:01 Future of Private Markets31:30 Regulatory Framework and Governance31:57 Educating Investors on Private Markets33:06 Creating the Perfect Private Credit Portfolio33:57 Diversification in Private Credit34:36 Advisors' Role in Private Credit Investing35:07 Wealth Channel Choices and Shelf Space35:53 Farm to Table Analogy in Private Credit37:32 Talent and Scale in Private Credit38:54 Maintaining Culture in Large Firms39:33 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsThe opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the author and do not reflect the views or opinions of PGIM, Inc. PGIM, Inc. is not responsible, endorses nor confirms its accuracy. All trademarks and other intellectual property used or displayed are the ownership of their respective owners. Unless noted otherwise in this podcast, PGIM, Inc. is not affiliated with, nor  endorses any mentioned company or any linked third-party content. PGIM and its affiliates may develop and publish research that is independent of, and different than, the recommendations contained herein. PGIM’s personnel other than the author(s), such as sales, marketing and trading personnel, may provide oral or written market commentary or ideas to PGIM’s clients or prospects or proprietary investment ideas that differ from the views expressed herein.Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Stonepeak's Mike Dorrell - pioneering infrastructure investing

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode dives into the evolution of infrastructure investing with a leading scaled specialist firm in infrastructure.We sat down in Stonepeak’s Hudson Yards office with a pioneer in infrastructure investing: Mike Dorrell.Mike is the Chairman, CEO, and Co-Founder of Stonepeak, building the foundations for the firm to achieve a rapid ascent to $76B from its founding in 2011.Mike brings deep expertise to bear in the infrastructure asset class. He has over 20 years of experience investing in infrastructure, starting his career at Macquarie, where he ultimately held the title of Senior Managing Director. He then joined Blackstone, where he was a Senior Managing Director in Private Equity and Co-Head of the Infrastructure Investment group, before striking out on his own to build one of the industry’s largest infrastructure investing firms in Stonepeak.Mike and I had a fascinating and thought-provoking discussion about infrastructure investing and why it’s becoming an increasingly important part of the private capital ecosystem. We covered:The early days of infrastructure investing.How infrastructure investing has evolved.How Mike’s experiences at Macquarie and Blackstone informed how he wanted to build Stonepeak.How institutional investors have approached infrastructure investing and why individual investors should consider exposure to infrastructure assets.Stonepeak’s DNA and what makes the firm different from other infrastructure investors.Why being a scaled specialist is a competitive advantage.How Stonepeak was built from scratch to scale.How Stonepeak identified investing in data centers early on and well before the data center boom began.Why launch a wealth solutions business and how it’s a reflection of the firm’s DNA, culture, and values.Thanks Mike for coming on the show to share your expertise, wisdom, and passion for infrastructure investing.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus01:18 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:10 Guest Introduction: Mike Dorrell03:58 Mike's Journey to Stonepeak06:46 Challenges in the US Infrastructure Market11:09 Successes and Setbacks in Infrastructure Deals12:06 Privately Held Infrastructure in the US17:05 Public vs. Private Infrastructure18:34 Impact of Infrastructure on Daily Life19:16 Stonepeak's Significant Market Presence22:10 Balancing Public Good and Investor Returns22:53 Regulation and Good Judgment in Infrastructure23:55 Challenges in Privatization25:52 Skills Needed for Infrastructure Investing26:29 Access to Infrastructure for Individual Investors27:10 Institutional Market's Experience with Infrastructure30:50 Asset Allocation and Infrastructure33:40 Private Equity vs. Infrastructure Investments34:10 Institutional Allocation Trends34:46 Patience and Peace of Mind in Investing35:14 Warren Buffet's Investment Philosophy35:38 Biggest Risks in Infrastructure35:50 Electric Utility Asset Risks36:28 Data Center Business Risks37:02 Evaluating Data Center Investments38:46 Economic Differences: Building vs. Buying Data Centers40:21 Pricing Power in Data Centers46:03 Connectivity Data Centers Explained49:16 Navigating Infrastructure as an Asset Class50:09 Finding the Right Assets at Fair Prices50:27 The Evolution of Infrastructure Investing53:31 Founding Stonepeak57:20 Raising Capital in Early Days59:46 Lessons from Blackstone01:01:22 Building a Strong Investment Culture01:03:37 Maintaining Culture While Scaling01:06:20 The Importance of the Wealth Channel01:07:41 Focus on Quality and Customer Experience01:08:33 Cycling and Business Philosophy01:09:26 The Importance of Investment Decisions01:10:27 Final Thoughts on Investment ProcessEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Hg's Chris Kindt - AI's transformative role in value creation for private equity

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode provides a fascinating window into the world of private equity value creation and how AI can help transform both portfolio company and investment firm processes and operations to create value.We sat down in New York with Hg Partner and Head of Value Creation Chris Kindt to dive into how he spearheaded the growth of the firm’s in-house value creation efforts and has built a high-performing team to meet the evolving needs of portfolio companies.Chris brings 15 years of experience in architecting and driving value creation to bear, with 11 years of experience at Hg and another 8 years as a consultant at BCG and Parthenon.Chris and his team are responsible for driving value across a portfolio of 55 companies that represents over $180B in enterprise value and would represent the second largest software company in Europe after SAP if it were a conglomerate.Chris and I had a thought-provoking discussion about value creation and the impact of AI on investing and operating companies. We discussed:How to build a high-performing value creation team.Where value creation has the biggest impact.How AI is transforming investment processes.How Hg has become an “AI-first” investment firm.Where AI will have the most impact in a company today and why agentic AI is transforming certain roles and processes within companies.How professionals can generate the most leverage from utilizing AI – without having cognitive decline.Why prompting and prompt engineering is so critical in the age of AI (and how you can use your weekends to perfect prompt engineering).How a management team can buy into AI and why the current time period represents an interesting opportunity for incumbents, particularly for those building mission-critical enterprise software.Thanks Chris for sharing your expertise and wisdom on company building and AI. We hope you enjoy.Note: this episode was filmed in August 2025.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus01:18 Welcome to the Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast02:10 Guest Introduction: Chris Kindt03:58 Chris Kindt’s Background and Journey05:43 Value Creation at Hg06:55 Pre-Investment and Diligence Process07:44 Management Team Dynamics08:40 Common Value Creation Interventions11:14 Building a Cross-Functional Team12:31 Scaling the Value Creation Team15:40 Measuring Value Creation Impact17:49 Investment Philosophy: Inch Wide, Mile Deep19:28 Partnerships with Management Teams20:03 Embedding AI in Value Creation20:24 Internal vs External AI Applications21:47 AI First Culture22:18 Effective AI Utilization24:04 Prompt Engineering and Whispering26:25 Choosing the Right AI Models26:50 AI Models: Strengths and Weaknesses27:42 Transformative Impact of AI28:21 Skills Needed in the AI Era28:26 AI's Role in Investment Firms28:55 Core Insights and Judgements29:04 The Core Skillset and Efficiency29:12 Philosophical Questions on AI and Talent Development30:18 Building Grit in the Age of AI31:12 Maintaining Discipline with AI32:08 AI as a Value Creation Lever32:35 Operational Efficiency and Copilots33:43 Emergence of Reasoning Models and Agentic Frameworks34:31 10x Efficiency in Engineering36:24 Challenges in Implementing AI37:16 AI Immersion Strategy Days39:52 Organizational Agility and AI42:15 AI's Impact on Investment Strategies43:26 AI in Mergers and Acquisitions45:29 The Importance of Proprietary Data47:12 AI Fatigue and Disillusionment48:07 Building AI Products and Agentic Products48:58 Hg's Internal AI Incubator49:59 The Next Wave of AI51:19 Voice and Multimodality in AI51:55 Globalization and Internationalization of AI53:35 Overestimating and Underestimating AI's Impact54:54 The Competitive Landscape of AI55:42 The Future of Value Creation with AI56:23 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Permira Part 2: Co-CEOs Brian Ruder and Dipan Patel - the collaborative leadership model in action: scaling an €80B alternative asset manager

  Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s episode is with two executives who have helped to build one of the industry’s leading alternative asset managers.In Permira Part 2, Brian Ruder joins his Co-Managing Partner and Co-CEO Dipan Patel in Permira’s London office to discuss the firm’s evolution and how the business has grown to over €80B in AUM.Both Brian and Dipan bring deep backgrounds in private equity investing to bear as they now lead the firm through its next phase of growth.Brian joined Permira in 2008 after working as a Partner at Francisco Partners. He’s Co-Managing Partner and Co-CEO of Permira, also serving on the firm’s Executive Committee and the buyout funds’ Investment Committee. He was instrumental in building the firm’s Technology sector team, which he co-led until 2023 where he worked on a number of the firm’s notable transactions, including Ancestry, Genesys, Informatica, LegalZoom, Magento, McAfee, Relativity, Zendesk, and more.Dipan joined Permira from Gores Group and is Co-Managing Partner and Co-CEO of the firm. He serves on Permira Holdings Limited Board and Permira’s Investment Committee and Executive Committee. He’s focused on technology and services investing, working on deals such as Renaissance Learning, Informatica, Axiom, Adevinta, AllTrails, Ancestry, LegalZoom, and more.Brian, Dipan, and I had a thought-provoking conversation about what it takes to build and run a scaled alternative asset manager and how to differentiate a firm and a culture. We discussed:How the firm’s beginnings have shaped the culture that has been built and how that culture has permeated how they make investment decisions, work with companies, founders, and LPs.The benefits and challenges of the collaborative leadership model.How would an LP underwrite Permira’s culture?How the firm’s European heritage helps as an investor.The opportunity set in Europe.The investment culture at Permira and how its structure and set up helps investment processes and decision-making.Why software buyouts have become a larger part of the buyout investing landscape.The Growth vs. Buyout mindset.The advantage for technology forward incumbents.How AI is impacting software investing and how AI is impacting services businesses.The thought process behind launching a wealth solutions business, Permira Wealth, and how it reflects the culture of the firm.Thanks Brian and Dipan for coming on the show to share the evolution of Permira and your expertise and wisdom in private markets.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at [email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus01:18 Welcome to Alt Goes Mainstream01:56 Introducing Brian Ruder and Dipan Patel04:44 Private Equity and Technology04:54 Brian's Career Journey06:51 Dipan's Career Journey11:44 AI's Role in Modern Investing12:38 AI in Services and Technology13:27 Permira's Sector-Focused Approach13:54 AI's Broader Impact on Industries17:27 Leadership and Innovation in Private Equity18:49 Underwriting Deals in the AI Era18:53 Importance of Market Leadership21:58 Technology Forward Incumbents24:00 Permira's Continuous Innovation24:26 Building the Business of Permira24:36 Dipan's Perspective on Firm Growth25:35 Core Values and Their Impact26:39 Investment Strategies and Sector Focus27:19 Fluid Team Dynamics28:04 Growth vs. Buyout Mindset29:45 Long-Term Investment Philosophy30:29 Driving Terminal Value30:50 Optimizing Long-Term Profitability31:55 Case Studies: Informatica and Ancestry.com32:58 Skillsets for Growth-Oriented Investing33:26 Assessing Long-Term Outcomes34:09 Empowering Long-Term Thinking34:30 Big Picture Thinking in Investments38:05 Co-Leadership Model39:38 Challenges of Co-Leadership40:37 Permira's Entrepreneurial Culture43:14 Diversifying Capital Base44:58 Educating the Wealth Channel46:29 Permira's Brand in the Wealth Channel47:10 Future Evolution of PermiraEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.

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• Going Public with Glenn Schorr - Ep. 4: Unpacking the past few months in private markets

  We are back with the latest Going Public with Evercore’s Glenn Schorr.On this episode of Going Public, we unpack the rollercoaster of the past few months in private markets for alternative asset managers. Private markets is much more than private equity — and this episode dives into nuances of specific strategies and what it means for alternative asset managers’ businesses.We discussed:Will the exit environment for private equity improve?Are animal spirits back in markets — and what does it mean for exits?Why and how private markets is more than private equity and private real estate.Why the wealth channel has been a contributor to alternative asset manager growth.How are banks responding to the expanding reach of private credit?Why private real estate could be a compelling category going forward, with 90%+ of real estate being privately owned.Making private markets more public — with expert analysisAlt Goes Mainstream has partnered with an expert who has seen the evolution of alternative asset managers from their early days.Glenn Schorr is a Senior MD and Senior Research Analyst at Evercore ISI, where he covers brokers, banks, asset managers, and trust banks as an analyst. He has covered financials since 2000 and started coverage of alternative asset managers when the first firms went public.He’s consistently come up as one of the most thoughtful and well-respected analysts in the space. He balances deep research with a creative flair (just read one of the titles of his research reports and you can see his love of the game). He’s been named to Institutional Investor’s All-America Research Team for his coverage, most recently ranking #2 and runner up in 2023, #1 and #2 in 2022. Prior to Evercore, Glenn was a Senior MD at Nomura, serving as the lead financials analyst. Listen in as Glenn shares market stories, the evolution of alternative asset managers as businesses, the biggest and most exciting trends in private markets based on what the industry’s largest players are doing, and we go “around the horn” for his analysis on the publicly traded firms. Show Notes00:00 Introduction and Countdown00:15 Introduction to Alt Goes Mainstream00:48 Meet Glenn Schorr: Wall Street Analyst02:08 Market Trends and Earnings Season02:15 Impact of Tariffs and Market Activity03:20 M&A and IPO Activity03:35 Private Equity and Market Dynamics04:34 Optimism in the Market06:11 Fundraising and Stock Prices06:52 Private Credit and Infrastructure08:31 Scale and Diversification10:19 Perpetual Capital and Investor Mindset13:51 Mega Trends and Long-Term Investments15:50 Real Estate and Market Cycles17:14 Long-Term View on Asset Managers20:04 Fee Structures and Performance24:15 Wealth Channel and Operational Challenges26:17 Institutional vs. Retail Investors28:41 Public vs. Private Markets31:01 Ceiling on Capital Raising31:42 Stewardship and Capacity Management33:03 Private Credit Market33:27 Direct Lending Market33:43 Competitive Banking Landscape33:55 Current State of Direct Lending34:22 Private Credit Market Expansion34:52 Investment Grade Private Credit36:19 Banks vs. Private Credit37:39 Banks' Adaptation Strategies38:53 Private Credit Market Size41:01 Insurance and Private Markets41:44 Apollo's Insurance Strategy43:45 Insurance Balance Sheet Power44:32 Insurance and Wealth Channels44:54 Private Wealth Return Hurdles46:47 Product Innovation in Private Markets47:00 Alternative Asset Managers' Strategies49:43 Wealth Channel Product Choices50:39 Approval Process for Wealth Platforms52:29 Third-Party Evaluators in Private Markets53:28 Convergence of RIAs and Investment Consultants54:15 Distribution Strategies for Asset Managers55:39 Servicing and Education in Private Markets56:16 Segmenting the Wealth Channel56:43 Morgan Stanley's Advisor Strategies57:45 Notable Developments in Private Markets59:19 Optimism in Financial Markets01:00:39 Concluding Thoughts and Future OutlookEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.Company Coverage and DisclosuresEvercore ISIGlenn Schorr| Ticker | Company | AAMI | Acadian Asset Management | APO | Apollo Global Management, Inc. | BAC | Bank of America Corporation |   | Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of America Corporation.| BK | Bank of New York Mellon Corp. |   | Bank of New York Mellon Corp. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Bank of New York Mellon Corp. in the last 12 months. |   | Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Bank of New York Mellon Corp. for investment banking services in the last 12 months. |   | Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of New York Mellon Corp.| BLK | BlackRock, Inc. |   | BlackRock, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to  BlackRock, Inc. in the last 12 months. |   | Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from BlackRock, Inc. within the next three months. |   | Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackrock Inc.| BX | Blackstone, Inc. |   | Blackstone, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blackstone, Inc. in the last 12 months. |   | Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from  Blackstone, Inc. within the next three months. |   | An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household)is an officer, director or advisory board member of Blackstone, Inc.. |   | Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blackstone, Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months. |   | Analyst has a financial interest in a private equity fund managed by Blackstone, Inc.. |   | Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackstone, Inc. |   | A member of Benjamin Rubin's household holds a long position in equity securities of Blackstone, Inc. | OWL | Blue Owl Capital, Inc | C | ...

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