ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Bill Yount reached financial independence at 60—then froze. His financial advisor confirmed 100% security, yet instead of relief, he felt disoriented fog. The emergency medicine physician who transformed from YOLO spender to 40% saver now struggles with a question that haunts many late starters: if I'm financially free, why can't I leave? Key Topics Discussed 00:05:30 The Wake-Up Call: From YOLO to Financial Awareness Bill's trifecta of mistakes at age 50: being house poor after an underwater renovation, maintaining a single-digit savings rate, and panic-selling stocks at market bottom. A lawsuit became the catalyst for confronting financial reality and transforming to a 30-40% savings rate within a decade. 00:15:00 The Emotional Journey: Anger, Shame, and Transformation Processing the emotional weight of starting late requires confronting anger, shame, and regret. Bill explains how downsizing from material excess created unexpected freedom, and why late starters must do the psychological work alongside the mathematical calculations. 00:22:00 The Partnership: Wife's Role and Family Dynamics Bill's wife became Chief Visionary Officer, returned to work full-time, and they saved her entire income through solo 401(k)s. Their journey debunks the "rich doctor syndrome" myth—25% of physicians at age 60 aren't even millionaires. 00:28:00 The Fog of FI: Reaching the Number and Not Knowing What's Next Sitting across from a financial advisor who confirmed complete financial security, Bill experienced unexpected confusion instead of celebration. This disorienting state—FOGO, or fear of getting out—reveals how identity and emotion don't automatically align with mathematical achievement. 00:35:00 One More Year Syndrome and Identity Struggles Despite being FI, Bill continues working twelve-hour emergency medicine night shifts. He candidly explores identity wrapped up in being a doctor, the meaning derived from patient care, and the difficulty of imagining life beyond the hospital. 00:42:00 The Glide Path: Cutting Shifts and Taking Action After Doc G asked for "one good reason" to keep his current schedule and Bill couldn't answer, he committed to cutting two shifts per month. This gradual approach offers an alternative to the all-or-nothing retirement cliff. 00:50:00 Lessons for Late Starters: Beliefs and Barriers Common limiting beliefs that paralyze late starters include "I'm too far behind," "I don't make enough," and "I don't know enough." Bill emphasizes it's always the right time to start, and the math works the same regardless of income level. 00:58:00 Health, Wealth, and Future Planning A frank discussion about neglecting physical health during wealth accumulation. Bill commits to refocusing on exercise and wellness to minimize the gap between healthspan and lifespan during the "go-go years" of early retirement. 01:05:00 Community, Travel, and What's Next Future plans include traveling to Norway with his sons, speaking at KiwiFi in New Zealand, and an ambitious mission: ensuring every medical resident receives a financial plan by 2035. Notable Quotes Bill Yount: "The emphasis, as we say, on late starter is on the starting and not being late." Bill Yount: "Between stimulus and response is a space. And we need to embrace that space because in that space, we need to regulate and choose our response." Bill Yount: "Relationships compound better than money, I think." Bill Yount: "It's better late than never. And we can catch up to FI together." Ginger: "I think a lot of people say, oh, that person is like me, right? And if they can do it, I can do it." Key Takeaways Track your money completely: Know your net worth, understand expenses, and identify where money goes before creating a plan Implement a reverse budget: Save your target percentage (30-40% if possible) off the top first, then spend the rest according to values Address the emotional work: Process anger, shame, and regret about past mistakes. Forgiveness matters as much as spreads…

The stock market crashes about once every three years—at least a 20% drop. Most investors panic and sell. But if you understood why markets always recover, you'd do the opposite. Brian Feroldi reveals three mechanical forces that guarantee long-term market resilience, transforming market crashes from terrifying events into predictable opportunities. Key Topics Discussed Introduction to Market Resilience (00:00:00) Brad Barrett introduces the concept of understanding market recovery through fundamental mechanics rather than accepting it on faith. Understanding Market Crashes (00:05:00) Brian explains crash frequency: 10% drops every eleven months, 15% every two years, 20% every three years, 30% once a decade, and 40%+ drops two to three times per century. Force #1: Stocks Follow Earnings (00:10:00) The first fundamental force—stock prices track corporate earnings over time. Brian introduces the man-and-dog analogy: the man (profits) walks steadily uphill while the dog (prices) runs wild on an elastic leash. Watch the man, not the dog. Force #2: Earnings Always Recover (00:25:00) Brian breaks down the five-phase economic recovery process: cost-cutting, cleansing, government intervention, innovation, and emergence. The Forest Fire Analogy (00:32:00) Economic downturns function like forest fires—clearing deadwood, eliminating weak competitors, and creating optimal conditions for new growth. The COVID pandemic demonstrated this: remote work jumped from under 10% to over 90% in four months. Force #3: Profits Rise Over Time (00:48:00) Five systematic drivers cause profits to rise: productivity gains, inflation, innovation, geographic expansion, and population growth. These forces ensure long-term upward trajectory despite temporary setbacks. Investor Psychology and Closing Thoughts (00:55:00) Discussion about investor behavior during crashes and the importance of saving this episode for future market downturns when emotional fortitude matters most. Notable Quotes "Stocks follow earnings. As go the earnings of a company or an index, also goes the price or the market value of that same index." — Brian Feroldi "The best time to buy is at the period of maximum pessimism. And the period of maximum pessimism is precisely when you absolutely do not want to buy." — Brian Feroldi "Ninety percent of good investing is how you behave in the 10% of time that things are not going well." — Brian Feroldi "Think of the man walking a dog on an elastic leash. The man represents profits, the dog represents stock prices. Watch the man, not the dog." — Brian Feroldi "Innovation accelerates when times are tough. Necessity is the mother of invention." — Brad Barrett and Brian Feroldi Key Takeaways Google "S&P 500 earnings" and study the 100-year chart showing earnings rather than just stock prices to see the steady upward march of the "man" Save this episode in your investor policy statement to re-listen during the next market crash when you need psychological reinforcement Set up automatic dollar-cost averaging contributions to retirement accounts and commit to never stopping them during downturns Review your asset allocation if you're within 10 years of financial independence to ensure appropriate risk levels and cash cushions Markets typically bottom when news is worst because prices predict earnings recovery 6-9 months ahead Resources and Links Why Does the Stock Market Go Up? by Brian Feroldi The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins JL Collins Guided Meditation for Market Drops Afford Anything Podcast with Paula Pant Camp FI Brian Feroldi on YouTube Brian Feroldi on Twitter/X Brian Feroldi on Instagram Brian Feroldi on Threads

Most investors lose to the market because they're trying to pick winners in a game where only 4% of stocks have created 100% of market wealth over the past century. The math isn't in your favor—but there's a simpler path that is. Key Topics Discussed Introduction to FI 201 (00:00:00) Jonathan introduces the concept of Financial Independence 201, explaining how it builds on FI 101 to help individuals progress from control to optimization and independence on their FI journey. The Genesis of FI 201 (00:05:30) Allen and Kristen explain how they identified the need for a 201-level presentation based on questions emerging from their St. Louis FI 101 sessions, particularly around investing concepts. Asset Allocation Fundamentals (00:15:00) Allen breaks down asset allocation as 'your money pie,' discussing how to balance growth, safety, and emergency funds while considering time horizons and diversification strategies. Risk Tolerance vs Risk Capacity (00:22:00) The team explores the critical difference between emotional risk tolerance and actual risk capacity, using examples from 2008 and 2020 market crashes to illustrate real-world application. Tax-Advantaged Account Strategies (00:35:00) Allen and Brad discuss the various tax treatments of investment accounts including 401(k)s, 457(b)s, Roth IRAs, HSAs, and taxable brokerage accounts, emphasizing lifetime tax optimization. Individual Stocks vs Index Funds (00:48:00) The hosts examine the data on individual stock picking, revealing that only 4% of stocks have contributed to 100% of market wealth over the past century, making a strong case for index investing. Dividends and Tax Control (00:55:00) Brad and Allen discuss why the FI community often prefers capital gains over dividend income, focusing on the importance of maintaining control over when and how you realize taxable events. Notable Quotes "You can't save your way to FI, you have to invest." — Allen Hansen "When there's a dip, you essentially get to buy the market on sale. If you love a bargain, this is it." — Brad Barrett "Why in the world do we not think that way when it comes to the market? Our brain completely flips. We're like, ah, we're scared." — Kristen Knapp "It's not what's my tax this year. It is what is going to be my tax burden over my lifetime." — Brad Barrett "The best investing lesson: stand there and do nothing. If you're invested, just don't do anything and you're going to be rewarded." — Allen Hansen Key Takeaways Assess your own risk tolerance and risk capacity honestly by considering how you would react to a 30% portfolio drop Review your current asset allocation across all accounts and determine if it aligns with your time horizon and financial goals Calculate the difference between your marginal and effective tax rates to understand your true tax burden Identify which tax-advantaged accounts you have access to (401k, 457b, 403b, HSA, IRA) and ensure you're maximizing employer matches Track every dollar of taxable income if you're on ACA subsidies or approaching any subsidy cliffs to avoid losing benefits Consider whether you have the right balance between taxable, tax-deferred, and tax-free accounts for maximum flexibility in retirement Join or start a local FI group to benefit from community wisdom and learn from others at different stages of the journey Review your portfolio for dividend-heavy investments and consider whether you'd prefer more control over when you realize taxable events Resources & Links FI Friends Travel The Simple Path to Wealth by J.L. Collins Tax Planning to and Through Early Retirement by Sean Mullaney and Cody Garrett ChooseFI Community App St. Louis FI Group BlackBerry Documentary (Netflix) Arizona State University Stock Market Wealth Study Brian Feroldi (individual stock investing advocate) Investopedia

Devon Gimbel just booked over $250,000 in travel last year using credit card points—but she's the first to tell you award travel isn't "free." It's a strategy for 10x-ing your existing travel budget by strategically matching your routine spending to the right credit cards. Since ChooseFI's original Travel Rewards 101 in 2017, the landscape has matured: annual fees are higher, issuer rules are stricter, and new players like Bilt have revolutionized the game by letting you earn points on rent and mortgage payments. Yet the fundamentals remain: with deliberate card selection and an understanding of transferable points currencies, it's still entirely possible to unlock one to two meaningful trips per year—whether that's economy flights to national parks or first-class seats to Tokyo. Key Topics Discussed 00:00:00 - Introduction and State of Travel Rewards in 2026 Brad introduces Devon Gimbel and discusses how travel rewards have evolved since ChooseFI's first Travel Rewards 101 episode in 2017. They address whether earning significant travel value is still possible despite higher annual fees and stricter rules. 00:05:30 - The Evolution of Award Travel Community Devon reflects on how the travel rewards community has matured since 2013-2014, moving from a monotone focus on premium cabin travel to showcasing diverse travel styles including domestic trips, family travel, and national park adventures. 00:11:45 - Getting Started: First Steps for Beginners Devon outlines how beginners should approach travel rewards by analyzing their top spending categories and selecting one or two intentionally chosen credit cards with strong bonus categories rather than immediately pursuing dozens of sign-up bonuses. 00:16:20 - Sign-Up Bonuses vs. Everyday Spend Strategy Discussion of the balance between chasing new card welcome bonuses and building a sustainable credit card portfolio with strong category bonuses. Devon explains why a hybrid approach works better for most people than constantly opening new cards. 00:22:15 - Understanding Bonus Categories Deep dive into how credit card bonus categories work, why they matter, and how strategic matching of spending patterns to bonus categories can dramatically increase points earning without changing spending behavior. 00:30:00 - The Power of Flexibility Brad and Devon discuss various dimensions of flexibility in travel rewards including travel dates, destinations, airports, cabin class, and types of points currencies. They share contrasting examples from their recent Japan trips. 00:38:45 - Transferable vs. Fixed Points Currencies Devon explains the critical difference between transferable points programs (Chase, Amex, Capital One, Bilt, Citi) and fixed airline/hotel programs, comparing them to Visa gift cards versus single-merchant gift cards. 00:47:30 - The Rise of Bilt Rewards Discussion of how Bilt has emerged as a major transferable points currency, offering the ability to earn points on rent and mortgage payments while providing strong transfer partners that directly compete with Chase Ultimate Rewards. 00:55:00 - Credit Card Issuer Restrictions in 2026 Devon outlines how credit card eligibility rules have tightened, including Chase's evolving restrictions and once-per-lifetime language similar to American Express, emphasizing the importance of deliberate card selection. 01:02:15 - Calculating Travel Value and Points Redemption Devon shares her methodology for calculating the value of points redemptions using her family's Lufthansa first class trip as an example, discussing the difference between 'free travel' and maximizing travel budget value. 01:12:30 - How Devon Earns 6 Million Points Annually Transparent discussion of Devon's points earning including business expenses, mortgage payments through Bilt, quarterly taxes, shopping portals, and strategic use of bonus categories, with acknowledgment that her situation differs from average users. 01:22:00 - Partnership Strategy for Couples Devon expla…

A dead local meetup group attracted just 5 people to its first gathering at a brewery. Two years later, that same group draws 70+ attendees to structured educational sessions, with newcomers driving across multiple states to participate. The transformation reveals something most personal finance education gets fundamentally wrong. Introduction and St. Louis Group Overview [00:00:00] Jonathan and Brad welcome Kristen Knapp and Allen Hansen to discuss how the St. Louis ChooseFI group became one of the most thriving communities in the country. Rebooting a Dormant Community [00:08:30] Kristen shares how she transformed a dormant St. Louis group after attending Camp FI, starting with brewery meetups and evolving to structured case studies that dramatically increased engagement. The Genesis of FI 101 [00:15:45] The hosts discuss how new members needed basic FI education, leading to the creation of a structured FI 101 program that attracted 70+ attendees and continues to grow. Kristen's Journey to Part-Time Work [00:22:10] Kristen shares her 30-year broadcast meteorology career and how the FI community gave her the confidence to negotiate a part-time arrangement, creating space for her FI Friends Travel venture. Allen's Perspective on Giving Back [00:31:20] Allen discusses his motivation to help others after reaching FI himself, emphasizing that anyone can make mistakes and still succeed on the path to financial independence. Structuring FI 101 Content [00:38:00] The group breaks down the essential components of FI 101: defining financial independence, the shockingly simple math of early retirement, and the financial order of operations. The Importance of Your Why [00:45:30] Jonathan proposes that understanding your personal why for FI should be the foundation of any FI 101 program, making it more compelling than traditional personal finance education. Investment Fees and Opportunity Cost [00:52:15] Brad delivers a detailed breakdown of how investment fees can cost millions over a lifetime, using concrete examples to illustrate the importance of low-cost index funds like VTI. Action Items and Next Steps [01:05:40] Allen outlines the two critical action items for FI 101 attendees: tracking net worth and monitoring spending, while the group discusses cadence for ongoing educational sessions. Preview of FI 201 and Future Plans [01:12:00] The hosts wrap up by discussing plans for a second episode covering FI 201 content and how local groups can iterate and improve their educational programming. Notable Quotes "I created what I wished existed. Nobody else is going to do it. Why not me?" — Kristen Knapp "After fifteen years of marriage, we finally hit broke. I think that resonates with people. We did it all wrong with credit card debt, you name it." — Allen Hansen "You can't save your way to FI. It's just almost impossible. You have to invest those dollars." — Allen Hansen "FI is not this passive endeavor and FI is not just about the nuts and bolts of money. This is about a constantly evolving mental framework." — Brad Barrett "Being around other people on the same path is one hundred percent the reason I've been able to create this life, because I would have never even had the idea or the courage to do any of this." — Kristen Knapp Key Takeaways Your savings rate matters more than your income. Someone earning $50,000 and saving 50% will reach FI faster than someone earning $150,000 but saving only 10%. Investment fees compound negatively. A 1% advisor fee plus 1% fund fees can reduce a potential $7.2 million portfolio to just $3.9 million over 40 years. Your FI number is calculated by multiplying annual expenses by 25, based on the 4% safe withdrawal rule. Understanding your personal "why" for pursuing FI is more compelling than traditional budgeting advice and provides the motivation needed for long-term success. Community makes the difference. Local FI groups provide accountability, education, and the courage to make life-changing decis…