The HaltingWinter Podcast

Abbie Ogborn: Leading Before You Feel Ready
Growth, Grit, and Guiding a Small City Through Big Change
*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "7f0aa905-d803-4481-9e44-c1a088a011df" data-testid= "conversation-turn-12" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Episode 299 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Tyler Technologies
Abbie Ogborn didn't set out to become a city manager.
She started as a softball umpire in her hometown of Wright City, Missouri. From there, she moved into the parks department, accounts payable, and in February 2020, she was sworn in as the City Clerk.
Three weeks later, City Hall shut its doors.
In this episode, Abbie shares what it was like to step into leadership just before the pandemic and how the crisis accelerated modernization, strengthened regional partnerships, and reshaped how her city serves its residents.
Now serving as both City Manager and City Clerk, Abbie is helping guide Wright City through one of the most significant growth seasons in its history. With nearly 1,900 residential units approved and major infrastructure changes underway, including the expansion of Interstate 70, the pressure to plan well, protect identity, and prepare for the future is right in front of her.
This is a conversation about stepping up when the opportunity arrives, even if you don't feel completely prepared.
It's about learning fast. Listening well. And building a city that can carry its future.
If you lead in local government, especially in a growing community, this episode will feel familiar and encouraging.
Sponsored by:
Tyler Technologies – the nation's leading provider of software solutions designed specifically for the public sector and local government. Learn more at https://tylertech.com/winter

The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a global community for local government leaders who want ongoing support, practical insights, and a trusted peer network to help them lead with clarity and conviction. Learn more at https://haltingwinter.com/MLDC
Connect with Seth Winterhalter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter
Website: https://www.HaltingWinter.com

Craig Honeycutt: Why Compromise Isn't Weakness
The Emotional Resilience Required to Lead in Local Government
*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "7f0aa905-d803-4481-9e44-c1a088a011df" data-testid= "conversation-turn-12" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Episode 298 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Tyler Technologies
After more than three decades in municipal leadership, serving as town manager, city manager, county manager, and ultimately retiring as City Manager of Burlington, North Carolina, Craig Honeycutt has learned something many leaders only discover the hard way:
Compromise is not weakness. And criticism is rarely personal.
In this conversation, Craig reflects on a career built from the ground up, starting in small communities, learning operations firsthand, navigating political transitions, leading through natural disasters, and managing in an increasingly polarized climate.
He shares why local government is truly the infrastructure of daily life…why young leaders should start small and "do everything," and why emotional resilience is the defining trait of successful managers today.
This episode is a masterclass in steady leadership, especially in a time when incivility and polarization are testing public servants across the country.
Sponsored by:
Tyler Technologies – the nation's leading provider of software solutions designed specifically for the public sector and local government. Learn more at https://tylertech.com/winter

The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a global community for local government leaders who want ongoing support, practical insights, and a trusted peer network to help them lead with clarity and conviction. Learn more at https://haltingwinter.com/MLDC
Connect with Seth Winterhalter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter
Website: https://www.HaltingWinter.com

Show Notes: MLDC Book of the Week – Payoff
Episode 297 of The HaltingWinter Podcast
_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> You can't compete on salary. Your pay scales are rigid. Your bonus structure is practically nonexistent. If motivation really came down to money, you'd be leading the most demoralized teams in America.
Except you're not.
This week inside the Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC), we're exploring "Payoff: The Hidden Logic That Shapes Our Motivations" by Dan Ariely, and what we're discovering is going to change how you think about motivation in your organization.
Dan Ariely is a behavioral economist at Duke University who has spent years running experiments on what actually motivates people. His research proves something revolutionary: we've been completely wrong about motivation. Meaning, acknowledgment, and a sense of accomplishment often work better than money, not just a little better, but dramatically better.
In this episode, you'll discover why your constraints aren't liabilities once you understand what actually drives human motivation, and why the competitive advantage you've been searching for has been hiding in plain sight all along.


Join the MLDC for the Complete 5-Part Series
The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a network of local government leaders from across North America, including city/county managers, administrators, and department heads, giving you access to: 

     ✔ A weekly podcast series breaking down one book for municipal applications
     ✔ Daily blog reflections and implementation tools
     ✔ Our live, weekly, virtual mastermind session
     ✔ Monthly webinars with relevant training from local gov leaders
➡ Learn more at www.HaltingWinter.com/MLDC
Resources Mentioned
Book: Payoff: The Hidden Logic That Shapes Our Motivations by Dan Ariely
Connect with Seth Winterhalter
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter
Website: www.HaltingWinter.com

Lyndsay Mitchell: From Plans to Progress
Building Cities and Preparing the Next Generation of Municipal Leaders
*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "7f0aa905-d803-4481-9e44-c1a088a011df" data-testid= "conversation-turn-12" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Episode 296 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Tyler Technologies
What happens when great plans never turn into real progress?
In this episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast, Seth Winterhalter sits down with Lyndsay Mitchell, Director of Strategic Initiatives for the City of Arlington, Texas, for a grounded and candid conversation about what it actually takes to move cities forward and who will be left to do the work if we don't start preparing now.
Lyndsay's journey into local government was anything but linear. She didn't set out to work in city leadership, and like many municipal professionals, she didn't even know these careers existed until late in college. That reality shapes how she thinks today about succession, workforce development, and the growing gap between planning and execution in local government.
Sponsored by:
Tyler Technologies – the nation's leading provider of software solutions designed specifically for the public sector and local government. Learn more at https://tylertech.com/winter

The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a global community for local government leaders who want ongoing support, practical insights, and a trusted peer network to help them lead with clarity and conviction. Learn more at https://haltingwinter.com/MLDC
Connect with Seth Winterhalter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter
Website: https://www.HaltingWinter.com

Jesse Thyes: Built Along the Way
How Leaders Emerge Through Experience
*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "7f0aa905-d803-4481-9e44-c1a088a011df" data-testid= "conversation-turn-12" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Episode 295 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Tyler Technologies
Most municipal leaders didn't start with a clear plan to achieve their current role. They grew into the role through experience, responsibility, and the people who invited them to step forward.
In this episode, Jesse Thyes, City Administrator of West Bend, Wisconsin, shares his journey from technical roles in planning and zoning to the administrator's chair. Along the way, we explore how early frontline work builds leadership capacity, how mentorship changes trajectories, and why effective municipal leadership is less about status and more about serving the moment.
This conversation is a reminder that leadership isn't assigned early; it's formed over time, through trust, pressure, and the willingness to say yes before you feel ready.
If you've ever questioned your path into leadership or wondered how to develop the next generation, this episode will resonate.
Sponsored by:
Tyler Technologies – the nation's leading provider of software solutions designed specifically for the public sector and local government. Learn more at https://tylertech.com/winter

The Municipal Leadership Development Circle (MLDC) is a global community for local government leaders who want ongoing support, practical insights, and a trusted peer network to help them lead with clarity and conviction. Learn more at https://haltingwinter.com/MLDC
Connect with Seth Winterhalter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter
Website: https://www.HaltingWinter.com