Threshold

How does the language we use affect our relationships with the rest of the living world? And what if by shifting the way we speak and write, we can open ourselves to more ways of thinking, to other ways of being? What if we thought of a river or a mountain as a “who” instead of a “what”?
Robert Macfarlane is a Professor of Literature and the Environmental Humanities at the University of Cambridge. In his book Underland, published in 2019, he writes “words are world-makers and language is one of the great geological forces of the Anthropocene.” He has continued his pursuit of language that animates rather than deadens in subsequent books, including Is a River Alive? and most recently, The Book of Birds: A Field Guide to Wonder and Loss. In this conversation, Robert and Amy think together about words and metaphors that bring us more fully into relation with the world around us, and how these semantic choices might shape our collective future.
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Credits: Threshold Conversations is produced by Sam Moore. Our music is by Todd Sickafoose. Amy Martin is our host and executive producer. This episode was released in collaboration with Orion Magazine.
Resources and Links:
Robert’s books
A few of Robert’s pieces in Orion
The Silent Planet, the musical piece Robert mentions, by Delia Stevens and Will Pound

Right now, the Trump Administration is pushing hard to drill for oil and gas in places that were previously off-limits. One of those places is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and in June, the administration took another step forward in the process of opening this enormous protected area for drilling.
Season 3 of Threshold is actually all about this controversy: it’s called The Refuge, and today, we’re sharing a bit more from one of the most memorable people we spoke to back then. His name is Trimble Gilbert, and he’s a traditional chief and a deeply knowledgeable elder from the Gwich’in community of Arctic Village, just over the Refuge’s southern boundary.
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Credits: This extra was produced by Sam Moore, with music by Todd Sickafoose and Travis Yost. Amy Martin is our host and executive producer.
Resources and Links:
Amy’s Substack, Letters to Earthlings
A profile of Trimble Gilbert from the Tanana Chiefs Conference
Harvard Law School’s effort to track the political football over the Refuge across the past four administrations
Trump’s Executive Order: Unleashing Alaska’s Extraordinary Resource Potential
More about the Gwich’in, from the Gwich’in Tribal Council Dept of Heritage in Canada (Check out their “elder of the month” feature).
Recent related stories from the Alaska Beacon about the Trump administration canceling its support for the Arctic Report Card and relaxing rules for offshore drilling in Alaska.

We’ve been telling the story of the petrochemical industry in Louisiana, but this isn’t just a Louisiana issue, or even just an American one - petrochemicals are a global industry with a global impact. In this episode, we think about our collective future, and how we might begin to navigate living with all this plastic.
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For decades, the residents of St. John the Baptist Parish breathed in toxic chemicals from a massive complex that makes neoprene - a synthetic rubber. But while residents suspected something was wrong, they were still shocked when the EPA told them they had the highest risk of cancer in the nation. Why were they just now being warned? And what was the government going to do about it? In this episode, we follow one community’s search for justice.
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People have objected to the toxic side effects of industry in Louisiana and across the country for a long time. A swell of activism in the 70s and 80s connected civil rights with environmental issues and public health, so that by the 1990s, it seemed like the nation was entering an environmental justice renaissance. And yet, low income and minority communities have remained at risk. In this episode, we follow the history of environmental justice activism and how the corridor became a poster child for unevenly distributed pollution.
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