The Market Gardener Podcast

In this episode, we sit down with Elspeth Hay, Cape Cod journalist and author of Feed Us with Trees, to explore how we can solve our collective separation from nature through the power of tree crops. We dive deep into her journey from learning the “no farms, no food” mantra in childhood to the paradigm-shifting realization that our surrounding forests are actually overflowing with staple foods like acorns. Elspeth deconstructs historical narratives like the term "hunter-gatherer" and the concept of "enclosure," arguing that modern industrial farming models were built upon a violent legacy of privatizing land and erasing highly managed indigenous food systems. The conversation highlights how traditional communities managed ecological resources collectively through the "Commons" and specific cultural rituals. Finally, we discuss how local communities can reverse the "shifting baseline syndrome," her advice on cultivating ecological joy and rituals for the next generation, and her vision of a future rooted in regional food resilience and connection to community and place. 

Elspeth’s book, Feed Us with Trees: https://newsociety.com/book/feed-us-with-trees

Timestamps 
[00:00] Intro - Acorns are a human food!
[03:09] Reflecting on a childhood feeling of being separate from the natural world.
[10:51] Deconstructing the term "hunter-gatherer" and rethinking evolutionary food stories.
[12:22] Learning about traditional indigenous forest management and the sophisticated uses of cultural fire.
[19:56] Explaining the violent legacy of the historical "enclosure" movement and land privatization.
[34:40] Analyzing how the intentional destruction of indigenous food systems won historical wars.
[45:32] Parallels between changing Cape Cod fisheries and regional nut co-op resilience networks.
[49:57] Replacing the concept of "nature" with the "living world" through the lens of fire-dependent Oak Savannas.
[59:26] Exploring the deeply embedded concept of the Commons versus modern private property.
[1:10:09] Painting a picture of a thriving utopian future driven by rural ecosystem tending and food networks.
[1:19:31] The technical mechanics of processing water-soluble bitter tannins for acorn flour and oils.
[1:44:52] Rapid-fire questions on formative books, career advice, empathy, and weaving willow baskets

Sponsors
Dubois Agrinovation: 
Get 10% off by choosing the promo code ‘MasterClass – Jean-Martin Fortier’ when you create an account. Some exceptions apply. 
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New Society Publishing: Use code market25 for 25% off all books. https://newsociety.com

Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here: 
https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/

Links/Resources
Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here : https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

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Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
Elspeth Hay:
Book: https://newsociety.com/book/feed-us-with-trees 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elspethhay 
JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode, we sit down with Sam Knapp, an Alaskan grower and author of Beyond the Root Cellar, to explore what it means to solve the biggest gaping hole in the local food system: winter food security. We dive deep into his journey from chemical engineering and a formative Fulbright grant in Sweden to establishing a successful, low-overhead storage crop farm in Fairbanks, Alaska. We highlight how Sam built a highly viable business on 1 acre by focusing on low-maintenance root crops like parsnips and utilizing efficient, manual systems instead of heavy machinery. Sam breaks down the structural design of his self-built cold storage facility, tips for managing humidity with Inkbird sensors and thermostats, and the reality of fighting thermal mass in the ground. Finally, we discuss how local growers can build predictable, highly profitable “off-season” revenue, his advice on avoiding the "YouTube Academy" trap by finding mentors, and his ultimate mission to democratize cold storage for local communities.
Sam’s book: Beyond The Root Cellar

Timestamps 
[00:00] Intro.
[03:34] Shifting local foods from a summer novelty to reliable winter staples.
[07:47] Pivoting from a PhD engineering track to an intense physical farm season in Sweden.
[17:43] Arriving in Fairbanks and integrating into a resilient community of transplants.
[25:03] Operating an off-grid farm through extreme sub-zero winter temperatures.
[36:19] Designing a low-maintenance, part-time farm layout to balance summer field research.
[46:13] Breaking down the real economics, gross revenues, and net profits of a 1 acre farm.
[55:04] Debunking tractor dependency and utilizing manual tools for market gardening.
[01:00:22] Structural mechanics of modern root cellars vs. traditional root cellars.
[01:23:46] Utilizing residential cooling units and custom micro-environments to preserve crops cleanly.
[01:47:47] Rapid fire Q&A, books, fitness and wellness, and traditional dance.

Sponsors
Dubois Agrinovation: 
Get 10% off by choosing the promo code ‘MasterClass – Jean-Martin Fortier’ when you create an account. Some exceptions apply. 
https://duboisag.com/

Johnny’s Selected Seeds: Sign up for Johnny’s newsletter to receive the latest news, products, and more. New members get $10 off their next order of $50 or more!
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here: 
https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/

Links/Resources
Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here : https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
Sam Knapp:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/offbeetalaska/

JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this heartfelt episode, we sit down with Caroline Hahm, chef at Di An DI restaurant in Brooklyn NY, to explore the beautiful intersection of professional kitchens and sustainable farming. We dive into her journey from leaving Cornell to working in fashion, and explore how the documentary Food Inc. and her grandmother’s garden entirely reshaped her worldview. Caroline shares her tumultuous journey of learning her craft from scratch, discovering farming along the way, and how she ultimately ended up as a culinary leader. She breaks down the economic realities of sourcing ethically for Asian cuisine, paying farmers full price, and subverting toxic kitchen cultures through mindful leadership. Finally, we discuss her guiding mission to live a life of service and her dream of building a hospitality space tied directly to its own market garden.

Timestamps 
[00:00] Intro.
[02:08] Reflecting on dinner at the Old Mill.
[08:12] Suburban childhood mentalities and shifting views on gardening.
[14:51] Leaving university to pursue volunteer work and experiencing true poverty.
[22:05] Transitioning into the fashion industry before Food Inc. changed everything.
[27:42] Tending soil later in life and reconnecting with traditional Korean side dishes.
[36:56] Volunteering at a rooftop farm and getting an unexpected start as a line cook.
[44:06] Reflecting on the intense physical toll and toxic culture of professional kitchens.
[51:34] Training under a wild Quebecois mentor and discovering new flavor pairings.
[01:05:44] Pursuing nose-to-tail butchery, urban farming, and handling intense press reviews.
[01:34:21] Analyzing the economic realities and structural underpricing of ethnic cuisines.
[01:50:36] Rapid fire questions on leadership, work habits, and processing grief.

Sponsors: 
Dubois Agrinovation: 
Get 10% off by choosing the promo code ‘MasterClass – Jean-Martin Fortier’ when you create an account. Some exceptions apply. 
https://duboisag.com/

Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here: 
https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/

Links/Resources
Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here : https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links

Caroline Hahm:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carolinehahm/ 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diandi.nyc/
Website: https://www.diandi.nyc/ 

JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this episode, Jean-Martin and Chris sit down with Jessica Paige of Adama Farm to discuss her journey from university student to first-generation regenerative farmer and influencer. Jessica explores the importance of "romanticizing" farm life, explaining how finding beauty in the intensive labor makes the work more enjoyable and sustainable, and how sharing this beauty online can inspire new young people to get into farming. She reflects on her formative apprenticeship at Frith Farm, her spiritual awakening through nature, and the empowerment of leading an all-female crew. The conversation covers the practicalities of starting a farm, from land acquisition to navigating the "year two and three" hurdles of infrastructure and irrigation. Ultimately, she highlights how a small-scale farm can become a vibrant community hub through farm-to-table dinners and shared connection to the land.

Sponsors
Dubois Agrinovation:  https://duboisag.com/
Growers & Co: https://growers.co

Timestamps
[01:30] The viral accident: Meet ‘Jessithefarmer’ from Adama Farm
[02:20] Survival by magic: Why you must romanticize intensive labor
[06:05] Rewriting the rules: Inside an intentional, all-female farm crew
[11:38] How a university thesis sparked an unexpected spiritual awakening
[16:00] From rejection to fate: The last-minute message that changed everything
[28:03] Turnkey destiny: Stumbling onto a hidden 73-acre paradise by pure chance
[35:12] Scorched fields and high tunnels: Navigating the chaotic trials of season one
[01:07:27] Reverse nostalgia and building a community village around the long table
[01:19:21] The 5-year vision: Reverse-engineering an event empire on just two acres
[01:24:50] Rapid fire Q&A: Books, farm fashion, and why you can't "skip the suck"

Links/Resources
Start Your Market Gardener Journey Here : https://themarketgardener.com/starthere/
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
Jessica Paige:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessithefarmer
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jessithefarmer 
Website: https://adamafarm.co/ 

JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier

In this solo episode, Jean-Martin Fortier celebrates his 48th birthday by reflecting on his 24-year journey as a market gardener. He revisits the foundational influence of Eliot Coleman’s The New Organic Grower, emphasizing how the "agricultural craftsmanship" of small-scale farming offers a meaningful alternative to industrial food production. The core of the episode outlines three guiding "North Stars" for the movement: reclaiming the integrity of the organic label, strengthening local food sheds to keep money in the community, and embracing seasonality as a social value. Jean-Martin argues that eating in-season from local greenhouses and root cellars creates a "good food revolution" that is impossible for industrial systems to replicate. He concludes by calling on farmers to stay rooted in their communities and fight for a food system defined by proximity, ecology, and joy.

Timestamps 
[0:00] Intro
[04:18] Birthday reflections: 24 years of hustling, dreaming, and the "Good Food Revolution"
[06:33] Current projects: Research at FQT farm and the Old Mill garden
[08:58] Returning to the source: The enduring influence of Eliot Coleman’s The New Organic Grower
[12:24] Trends in the movement: From the pressure to scale up to mastering the small-scale model
[14:10] Agricultural Craftsmanship: Why growing food is a practice of presence, not industry
[19:43] North Star #1: Reclaiming "Organic" and fighting off the dilution of the label
[27:32] North Star #2: The power of locality and keeping wealth within the community
[33:21] North Star #3: Seasonality as a tool for health, ethics, and community celebration
[41:27] Summary: Building a future of proximity, ecology, and back-to-basics joy 

Sponsors
Real Organic Project: Get Involved. Get Certified. Join the movement to fight the co-opting of organic.
Thinkific: Built for the Business of Learning.
Activevista: Specialised Tools and Seeds for Diversified Crop and Home Growers

Links/Resources
Market Gardener Institute:  https://themarketgardener.com 
Masterclass:  https://themarketgardener.com/courses/the-market-gardener-masterclass 
Newsletter:  https://themarketgardener.com/newsletter
Blog:  https://themarketgardener.com/blog 
Books: https://themarketgardener.com/books
Growers & Co: https://growers.co
Heirloom: https://heirloom.ag/
The Old Mill: https://www.espaceoldmill.com/en/

Follow Us
Website: http://themarketgardener.com 
Facebook: http://facebook.com/marketgardenerinstitute 
Instagram: http://instagram.com/themarketgardeners 

Guest Social Media Links
JM:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeanmartinfortier
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeanmartinfortier