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Why does your spouse get to want things while you're drowning in responsibility? That resentment you feel watching your partner pursue hobbies while you manage everything isn't petty—it reveals what Tony identifies as one of the "fundamental wounds" in modern marriages: the split between duty and desire.

Through the story of Sarah and Michael—a couple weeks from divorce—Tony explores how one partner can become a pure, exhausting obligation while the other escapes into hollow pleasures. Both are starving for what the other has, but neither can see it. You'll discover why the "serpent's trick" convinces us that what we want and what we should do are enemies when they were always meant to work together.

In this episode, you'll learn:

Why feeling like "a machine that keeps everyone running" signals you've lost connection to your own desires—and why reclaiming them is actually part of your duty as a parent and partner
The difference between discipline that crushes your soul and discipline that creates freedom (hint: it depends on whether it's aligned with your actual values or just "socially compliant goals")

How asking "what can I do to help?" often puts the mental load right back on your overwhelmed spouse.

Why Michael's gaming and biking felt hollow even though Sarah assumed he was "living his best life."

The concept of impermanence—and why accepting that your beliefs will evolve is liberating, not threatening

Tony Overbay, LMFT, draws from over 20 years of couples therapy and 1,500+ couples to share the exact framework that helped Sarah and Michael move from combat to connection.

Ready to stop the cycle? Join the Magnetic Marriage waitlist at tonyoverbay.com/magnetic and learn what you don't know you don't know about reconnecting with your partner.

00:00 Introduction and Host Background
00:35 Common Relationship Challenges
01:53 The Magnetic Marriage Program
02:59 Today's Episode: Overwhelmed by Responsibilities
03:37 Meet Sarah and Michael: A Struggling Couple
03:57 Sarah's Perspective: Duty Over Desire
13:12 Michael's Perspective: Desire Over Duty
17:49 The Core Wound: Duty vs. Desire
21:50 Connecting to Universal Archetypes
28:10 Embracing Change and Growth
28:26 Embracing Impermanence
28:45 Healing Through Change
29:34 The Paradox of Certainty
29:55 Sarah and Michael's Journey
32:20 The Garden of Eden Metaphor
33:07 The Serpent's Trick
34:40 Modern Examples of Duty vs. Desire
38:00 The Role of Discipline
40:42 Integrating Duty and Desire
48:42 Personal Reflections on Duty
49:53 Values vs. Socially Compliant Goals
54:05 Sarah and Michael's Progress
56:24 Conclusion and Call to Action

Get on the waitlist today for Tony's upcoming Magnetic Marriage live course! Head to https://tonyoverbay.com/magnetic

Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.

Tony addresses a listener's question about feeling anxious due to a communication lapse with her husband. He delves deep into the nuances of relationship dynamics, emphasizing the importance of honest and continuous communication. He shares insights on how patterns in behavior reflect true priorities, touches on the significance of co-regulation, and explores how small, seemingly insignificant moments can significantly impact intimacy and connection over time. Whether dealing with newlywed issues or long-term relationship challenges, Tony provides practical advice on building trust and emotional intimacy. Submit your questions through his website, http://tonyoverbay.com

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:43 How to Submit Your Questions
01:42 First Question: Communication in Marriage
03:14 Understanding Emotional Reactions
09:09 The Importance of Co-Regulation
15:00 Selective Competence in Relationships
24:52 Intimacy and Sexuality in Marriage
30:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.

And visit https://julie-dejesus.com/cruise to learn more about Tony and his friend Julie De Jesus's "I See You Living" cruise, a 5-night Western Caribbean Cruise from January 24-29, 2026 aboard the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.

To learn more about Tony's upcoming re-release of the Magnetic Marriage course, his Pathback Recovery course, and more, sign up for his newsletter through the link at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch

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What if your New Year's resolutions keep failing because they were never really yours to begin with? Most goals we set aren't chosen—they're inherited from magazines, social media, parents, or that version of ourselves we think we're supposed to become. That's why they don't stick. In this episode, Tony shares his decades-long "pushup obsession" and how Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) finally broke the cycle—not through more discipline, but by discovering what actually mattered to him.

What you'll learn:

- Why "socially compliant goals" sabotage your motivation before you even start

- The crucial difference between values (your compass) and goals (checkboxes)—and why confusing them keeps you stuck

- How to use lead measures instead of lag measures to build sustainable change

- The "Passengers on the Bus" technique for moving forward even when self-doubt is loud

- A simple 5-step "Get Back on the Saddle" plan for when you inevitably wobble

With over 20 years of clinical experience, Tony explains why you're not broken—you're human—and offers a framework for building a life that actually feels like yours.

Ready to stop beating yourself up and start driving toward what matters? This might be the last resolution episode you'll ever need.

00:00 Introduction: Are Your Goals Really Yours?
00:44 Meet Tony Overbay: Your Guide to Self-Improvement
01:57 The New Year's Resolution Dilemma
04:03 The Pushup Story: A Lesson in Values
12:34 Understanding Socially Compliant Goals
15:04 Experiential Avoidance: The Trap of Avoiding Discomfort
20:26 Lag Measures vs. Lead Measures: The Key to Achieving Goals
27:28 Values vs. Goals: The Core of Sustainable Change
38:52 Perceived Value vs. Perceived Capability
40:57 Understanding Perceived Capability and Value
41:46 Corporate America and Disengagement
42:50 New Year's Resolutions and Motivation
46:18 Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) vs. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
54:47 The Power of ACT in Therapy
01:00:58 Practical Steps for Getting Back on Track
01:06:05 Embracing Emotions and Moving Forward
01:08:01 Conclusion: Driving the Bus Towards What Matters

Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.

And visit https://julie-dejesus.com/cruise to learn more about Tony and his friend Julie De Jesus's "I See You Living" cruise, a 5-night Western Caribbean Cruise from January 24-29, 2026 aboard the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.

To learn more about Tony's upcoming re-release of the Magnetic Marriage course, his Pathback Recovery course, and more, sign up for his newsletter through the link at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch

Available NOW: Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" is only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-course

You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com

Every family has an origin story—and it's not always the one told at holidays. In this episode, Tony explores the fascinating concept of the butterfly effect and how it applies to family systems. From a scientist's obsession with Gila monster saliva that led to Ozempic, to a wrong turn that ignited World War I, small moments can create massive ripples.
But what happens when the butterfly in your family isn't an event—it's a person?
Through the story of "Uncle Ray," Tony unpacks how one emotionally overwhelmed parent can set patterns that echo for decades, and how family roles—the helper, the peacekeeper, the fixer, the scapegoat—get assigned long before we're even aware of them. You'll learn about the patterns of emotional immaturity (black-and-white thinking, mind reading, magical thinking, and more) and how they show up in everyday family dynamics.
Most importantly, Tony shares the hopeful truth: the butterfly effect works both ways. One person's dysfunction can ripple through generations—but so can one person's healing. If you've ever wondered how to break cycles in your own family or show up differently this holiday season, this episode is for you.
00:00 Introduction: Family Dynamics and Roles
01:05 The Butterfly Effect in Families
03:02 Crossover Episode: Emotional Immaturity and Family Systems
04:36 The Butterfly Effect: Scientific Examples
10:02 The Butterfly Effect in Family Systems
14:33 Uncle Ray: The Catalyst of Chaos
23:25 Pathological Kindness: Janet's Role
27:39 Emotional Immaturity: Patterns and Consequences
33:10 Black and White Thinking
33:40 Mind Reading and Assumed Intent
34:28 Difficulty with Accountability
35:39 Emotional Reasoning
36:35 External Validation Dependence
37:58 Magical Thinking
39:03 Managing Other People's Emotions
40:40 The Butterfly Effect in Family Dynamics
41:15 Curiosity and Emotional Maturity
43:28 Reconnecting with Uncle Dave
51:30 The Impact of Family Systems
55:55 The Cost of Emotional Immaturity
58:25 Breaking the Cycle
58:45 Setting Boundaries and Responding Differently
01:02:38 Hope and Creating Positive Ripples

Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.



And visit https://julie-dejesus.com/cruise to learn more about Tony and his friend Julie De Jesus's "I See You Living" cruise, a 5-night Western Caribbean Cruise from January 24-29, 2026 aboard the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.



To learn more about Tony's upcoming re-release of the Magnetic Marriage course, his Pathback Recovery course, and more, sign up for his newsletter through the link at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch



Available NOW: Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" is only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-course



You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com

Have you ever found yourself calculating what to say when your partner is upset—choosing words to manage their emotions rather than speaking your truth? In this episode, Tony shares the breakthrough story of a couple navigating financial betrayal and the exhausting cycle of emotional management that kept them stuck.



Through Mark and Sarah's journey from reactive patterns to authentic connection, you'll discover the five elements of differentiated intimacy and why trying to make your partner "okay" with uncomfortable truths actually prevents genuine healing. Tony breaks down how anxious and avoidant attachment styles create complementary patterns of pursuit and withdrawal, and why both strategies are really about the same thing: controlling the other person's emotional state rather than being present to it.



BONUS SECTION: Tony responds to overwhelming listener feedback from his recent co-regulation series by explaining the neuroscience behind Mark and Sarah's breakthrough. Learn about Ed Tronick's famous "Still Face Experiment," how childhood co-regulation failures create adult attachment wounds, and why healing requires nervous system-level change—not just better communication skills.



Perfect for you if:

You're exhausted from walking on eggshells or constantly pursuing connection
You recognize yourself in anxious or avoidant attachment patterns
You're recovering from betrayal (financial, emotional, or otherwise) in your relationship
You want to understand why the same conflicts keep repeating
You're curious about the neuroscience of relationship healing
Topics covered:

The difference between managing emotions and being present to them
Five elements of differentiated intimacy in action
How to hold incompatible truths without relationship collapse
The anxious-avoidant trap explained through nervous system dynamics
Co-regulation: from childhood patterns to adult healing
Why secure attachment can be earned at any age


00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:37 Imagining Relationship Scenarios

02:56 Understanding Emotional Management

03:56 Exploring Co-Regulation in Relationships

07:33 Case Study: Mark and Sarah's Financial Infidelity

13:54 Breakthrough Session: Honest Communication

21:45 The Real Work of Differentiation

23:22 Mark and Sarah's Emotional Breakthrough

24:38 Key Lessons from the Breakthrough

25:34 Managing Emotions vs. Genuine Intimacy

28:06 Questions for Self-Reflection

29:29 Understanding Co-Regulation

30:53 The Still Face Experiment

33:36 Mark and Sarah's Attachment Styles

35:54 The Anxious-Avoidant Trap

37:11 Breakthrough in Therapy

40:38 The Role of Co-Regulation in Healing

41:39 Neuroplasticity and Secure Attachment

45:48 Final Thoughts and Resources



Contact Tony at [email protected] to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.



And visit https://julie-dejesus.com/cruise to learn more about Tony and his friend Julie De Jesus's "I See You Living" cruise, a 5-night Western Caribbean Cruise from January 24-29, 2026 aboard the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.



To learn more about Tony's upcoming re-release of the Magnetic Marriage course, his Pathback Recovery course, and more, sign up for his newsletter through the link at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch



Available NOW: Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" is only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-course



You can learn more about Tony's cornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com