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    Ep. 263: Free speech in Trump 2.0

    2/02/2026 | 1h 10 mins.
    One year into Trump 2.0, we examine the administration's record on free speech and how it compares to the president's campaign pledge to "bring back free speech to America." 
    We also discuss recent ICE protests, including the right to carry a gun and to film law enforcement, and what these encounters reveal about protest rights today.
    Today we are joined by:
    Clark Neily, senior vice president for legal studies at the Cato Institute

    Timothy Zick, professor of government and citizenship at William & Mary Law School and author of the new book Trump 2.0: Executive Power and the First Amendment

    Conor Fitzpatrick, supervising senior attorney at FIRE

    Zick is also the author of Public Protest and Governmental Immunities, Managed Dissent: The Law of Public Protest, and Arming Public Protests.
     
    Timestamps: 
    00:00 Intro  
    01:47 ICE protests: Alex Pretti, filming police, and the right to carry a gun
    13:30 How to hold law enforcement accountable
    19:10 Don Lemon's arrest
    23:27 Trump's retribution politics and the "domestic terrorist" label
    35:05 FCC pressure and attacks on the media 
    39:40 Free speech for noncitizens
    53:49 Attacks on higher education
    58:40 Trump 1.0 vs. Trump 2.0
    01:02:25 What reforms are needed?
    1:09:13 Outro
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    Ep. 262: Escaping Iran

    1/22/2026 | 1h 8 mins.
    Recent protests in Iran have drawn renewed attention to dissent under the country's authoritarian government. The demonstrations have been met with mass arrests, internet restrictions, and even accusations of murder. 
    While large-scale demonstrations appear to have subsided for now, reporting from Iran describes a tense calm, a heightened security presence, and widespread "disappointment and disillusionment" among Iranians.
    Today we are joined by Pouya Nikmand, an Iranian-born writer who escaped Iran at 18. He writes about how his experiences have shaped his understanding of expression, freedom, and belonging on his Substack, Outliving Iran.
    Timestamps: 
    00:00 Intro  
    02:17 What's happening in Iran now?
    10:47 What does life look like under an authoritarian regime?
    20:33 Growing up in Iran 
    24:48 The influence of Western media in Iran
    32:55 Escaping Iran 
    37:05 Life after escape
    40:55 Being trafficked to Poland
    54:45 Escaping captivity and coming to America
    01:01:53 An immigrant's perspective on US immigration
    1:07:24 Outro
    Read the transcript here.
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    If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at thefire.org and would like access to Substack's paid subscriber podcast feed, please email [email protected].
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    Ep. 261: Thomas Paine's rise and fall

    1/15/2026 | 1h 29 mins.
    Thomas Paine arrived in America in 1774 with little to his name and a long record of personal failure behind him. Within a year, he wrote Common Sense, one of the most influential political pamphlets in history, helping to ignite the American Revolution and catapulting Paine into the American history hall of fame.
    But by the end of his life, he was widely reviled, politically isolated, and personally abandoned. Once celebrated as the voice of liberty, he died an outcast, mourned by only six people at his funeral.
    How does one man become the voice of the American Revolution and end up forgotten? To explore Paine's complicated legacy, we are joined by Richard Bell, professor of history at the University of Maryland and author of The American Revolution and the Fate of the World.
    Timestamps: 
    00:00 Intro  
    02:41 Thomas Paine's early life
    10:32 Paine's arrival in America
    20:02 What did Paine argue in Common Sense?
    25:11 Why Common Sense was so revolutionary
    36:31 The American Crisis and the Revolutionary War
    41:35 Why Paine returned to London and wrote The Rights of Man
    49:19 Exile from Britain, imprisonment in France, and writing The Age of Reason
    01:01:27 Why America turned its back on Paine
    01:12:09 Paine's final days
    01:18:50 How should we understand Paine's legacy today?
    01:26:58 Outro
    Read the transcript here. 
    Enjoy listening to the podcast? Donate to FIRE today and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more. 
    If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at thefire.org and would like access to Substack's paid subscriber podcast feed, please email [email protected].
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    Ep. 260: Remembering 'free-thinking' writer Nat Hentoff

    12/19/2025 | 58 mins.
    On January 7, 2017, The Associated Press announced that "Free-thinking author and columnist Nat Hentoff is dead at 91."
    For well over 60 years, Hentoff was a one of America's foremost public intellectuals and a familiar byline to free speech advocates and jazz aficionados.
    The First Amendment was a way of life for Nat Hentoff. He would have been 100 years old this year. To reflect on his life and legacy, we are joined by his son Nick Hentoff and filmmaker David Lewis, whose 2013 documentary, "The Pleasures of Being Out of Step," explored Nat Hentoff's embodiment of free expression as the defining characteristic of the individual.
    Timestamps: 
    00:00 Intro  
    00:52 Who was Nat Hentoff 
    03:48 Nat's early life & influences 
    18:20 Jazz, writing, & finding his voice
    31:24 Free speech as a way of being
    35:15 Being out of step: Controversy, courage, and consequences
    41:56 Rage, compassion, & moral clarity
    51:53 Nat Hentoff's legacy of dissent
    55:20 Outro
    Read the transcript here.
    Enjoy listening to the podcast? Donate to FIRE today and get exclusive content like member webinars, special episodes, and more.
    If you became a FIRE Member through a donation to FIRE at thefire.org and would like access to Substack's paid subscriber podcast feed, please email [email protected].
  • So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast

    Ep. 259: FIRE answers your questions

    12/10/2025 | 1h 1 mins.
    Changes at the Pentagon, Charlie Kirk and cancel culture, free speech and misinformation, globalized censorship, Indiana University, how to support FIRE, and more!
     
    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introductions
    02:11 What is the Press Clause, and who does it apply to?
    05:53 FIRE's position on Oklahoma student grading incident
    08:50 What does FIRE need from Members besides financial support?
    15:59 FIRE's College Free Speech Rankings and what they mean
    19:44 What is the latest on the Ann Seltzer cases?
    22:08 What is FIRE's view on the Pentagon press room changes?
    24:50 What is the value of small donations? How can FIRE supporters volunteer?
    29:21 Indiana University is good at football but bad at free speech
    33:46 Are courts trending in a more speech-protective direction?
    37:05 Charlie Kirk and cancel culture
    39:20 Pro- and anti-Zionist speech and "hostile environment" harassment
    43:48 Is "globalize the intifada" incitement?
    45:07 How does FIRE distinguish between free speech and misinformation?
    47:54 Can FIRE help supporters start free speech alumni groups?
    48:55 Free speech, artificial intelligence, and copyright/trademarks
    51:51 The sordid legacy of Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier 
    53:22 Staying hopeful amidst so much hypocrisy
    55:32 Global speech platforms and censorship
    58:14 Differences between FIRE and the ACLU?
    59:34 Does FIRE have a Substack? (The Eternally Radical Idea, So to Speak, Expression)
    1:00:03 Closing remarks.
     
    Read the transcript here.
     
    Joining us:
    Alisha Glennon, chief operating officer

    Nico Perrino, executive vice president

    Greg Lukianoff, president and ceo

    Will Creeley, legal director 

     
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So to Speak: The Free Speech Podcast takes an uncensored look at the world of free expression through the law, philosophy, and stories that define your right to free speech. Hosted by FIRE's Nico Perrino. New episodes post every other Thursday.
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