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In this episode, I sit down with Terry Rice, speaker, entrepreneur, and leadership trainer, for a real conversation about addiction, identity, fatherhood, discipline, and what it means to live in alignment. 

Terry brings the perspective of someone who has rebuilt more than once, opening up about getting fired from Facebook, losing his son TJ, and how those experiences shaped the way he leads, lives, and serves others today. We talk about overcoming alcoholism, building a life with intention, and using your scars, not to hide, but to help others grow. Honest, challenging, and full of perspective, this one is for anyone trying to lead with more clarity, purpose, and truth.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:37 - Favorite genre of music and how it informs Terry’s life

4:15 - How Terry utilizes the gym

6:05 - Building resilience

8:35 - Terry’s why and his addiction to alcohol

13:57 - Exploring ‘functional addiction’

18:01 - How Terry hit his brick wall

24:38 - Your sense of purpose and conquering your addictions

27:52 - “What drives you today?”

32:55 - Work/life rhythms and getting alignment

39:37 - Being a dad and working, or having a business

42:23 - Episode wrap-up

 

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https://performancesystems.co/keynote

https://buildwiththem.com/

Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-rice/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsterryrice/

 

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WHAT YOU’LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE

01 - The Myth of External Closure

We’ve been conditioned to believe closure is something someone else delivers. Jahmaal unpacks why that belief is both biologically understandable and deeply damaging and introduces the Zeigarnik Effect, the psychological reason our minds grip unfinished situations so tightly.

“Closure is not a conversation. It’s a decision you make inside yourself about what that chapter meant and what you’re going to do next.”

02 - The Self-Sabotage Nobody Talks About

When unresolved pain goes unprocessed, we carry it forward, transferring it onto new managers, new partners, new collaborators who had nothing to do with the original wound. Jahmaal names this pattern “transferring pain forward” and explains why it masquerades as wisdom, discernment, and self-protection.

Key distinction from this segment:

Boundaries built from wisdom: identifying patterns, doing the work, watching for early signs

Walls built from unhealed wounds: treating everyone who resembles your past as a present-day threat

“You are punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit — and losing the very opportunities that could heal you.

03 - Your Internal Triggers Are Running the Show

A trigger isn’t just an emotional reaction — it’s your nervous system signaling that something unprocessed has been activated. The problem is that your nervous system cannot distinguish between what is actually dangerous and what merely resembles something that was dangerous before.

The result: you make survival decisions in contexts where survival isn’t actually at stake. You are fighting yesterday’s battle in today’s arena.

“When your unhealed triggers are driving, your future is being written by your past.”

Jahmaal also addresses why insight alone doesn’t equal healing and what it actually takes to update the internal narrative written at your most vulnerable moment.

04 - The Psychological Safety You’re Creating for Yourself

Here’s the reframe: your self-sabotage isn’t random. It isn’t weakness. It is strategy, a set of protective behaviors your psyche built to keep you safe. But there’s a critical difference between manufactured safety and real psychological safety.

Manufactured safety: controlled demolition of your own potential before someone else can cause the damage

Real psychological safety: the inner confidence that you can handle whatever comes, you will not be destroyed

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Burnout does not start with your calendar. It starts with what you keep tolerating. 

 

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Gwendolyn Oglesby-Odom, a healthcare executive and transformational servant leader, for a powerful conversation on boundaries, psychological safety, self-care, and what it really takes to lead without losing yourself. From non-negotiables and team culture to vulnerability and sustainable leadership, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone trying to build healthier people and stronger teams.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:24 - Introduction

1:40 - Favorite genre of music and how it shapes her life

3:29 - The wellness gap for leaders on the front lines

4:05 - Why self-care has to be scheduled

5:31 - Night routines, boundaries, and protecting rest

7:36 - Non-negotiables and the cost of renegotiating them

10:17 - Delegation, team structure, and leadership vision

12:51 - Psychological safety and leading with vulnerability

20:15 - What to do when your work environment is draining you

23:00 - Vacation, refueling, and the leadership case for rest

25:51 - Leading with love and building a healthy team culture

35:11 - Dr. Gwen’s billion-dollar healthcare investment in Chicago

 

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Peace isn’t the absence of pressure. It’s the presence of structure.

In this solo episode, Jahmaal breaks down boundaries without bitterness and why most people don’t struggle with saying no, they struggle with guilt, fear, and the need to be liked. He shares how resentment builds when you wait too long, why overexplaining kills a boundary’s authority, and the simple framework that helps you set limits with clarity, consistency, and calm.

If you’re tired of protecting your peace with attitude, this one gives you the roadmap to protect it with discipline.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:25 - Episode open

2:23 - The ‘B’ word (boundaries)

3:39 - Bitterness and what no boundaries gets you

11:07 - The affect on your business

14:07 - Why do we avoid boundaries?

16:03 - Being kind doesn’t always mean being available

17:31 - Clarity, consistency and calm

19:04 - The challenge for this week + closing thoughts

 

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On this episode of Listen Then Speak, I sit down with my friend (and repeat guest) Mita Mallick to talk about her new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight: What Good Leaders Can Learn from Bad Bosses. We get into the real workplace dynamics so many people quietly deal with: chaos, burnout, and “lethal loyalty”, and what it actually looks like to set boundaries without blowing up your career.

Mita shares how her upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrant parents shaped the way she approached work, why “keep your head down and work hard” can backfire in modern corporate culture, and how bad bosses don’t just create stress, they create ripple effects that drain entire teams. We also unpack one of the book’s most memorable archetypes, “The White Rabbit” manager, and walk through practical ways to manage up, prioritize what’s urgent vs. important, and build a communication framework that protects your time and sanity.

If you’ve ever felt pressured to be available 24/7, struggled to advocate for yourself, or wondered how to lead well in a broken culture, this conversation is for you.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:53 - Meet Mita!

2:25 - Favorite genre of music

3:07 - Management, flexibility and being a role model

5:30 - The start of Mita’s career and how her parent’s culture informed it

12:06 - The ‘F’ word (family)

17:09 - The “white rabbit”

21:16 - “Managing up” with a ‘white rabbit’

27:07 - Getting over the fear of ‘managing up’

30:13 - Urgency exhaustion and guarding your true priorities

33:59 - Advice to service-based, or faith-based professionals

38:12 - Where you can get Mita’s book

 

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Website https://www.mitamallick.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick-2b165822/

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Emails-Midnight-Leaders-Bosses/dp/1394316488

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