Listen Then Speak

The way you communicate can open doors, or quietly close them.

 

On this week’s episode, I sat down with Steve Woodruff to talk about what it really means to communicate with clarity, own your strengths, and become unforgettable in the way you show up. 

 

Steve is known as the “King of Clarity” – and his Clarity Formula is designed to help businesses and business owners unlock more revenue.

 

He shares how simplifying your message, understanding your unique value, and creating what he calls “memory darts” can help you stand out, earn more referrals, and move with greater confidence in your work and calling. It’s a powerful conversation on identity, alignment, and saying what matters in a way people actually remember.

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Episode Highlights:

 

0:00 - Introduction

1:15 - Meet Steve Woodruff

3:06 - Steve’s favorite genre of music

6:53 - Steve’s shift away from corporate

11:11 - Finding your true purpose and identifying mismatch

14:16 - “Redeeming the time”, finding your path

19:21 - “Memory darts”

25:23 - How you can get in touch with Steve

27:26 - Final thoughts

 

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Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

 

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Interested in learning more about Steve?

Website: https://www.stevewoodruff.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swoodruff/

 

Book - Clarity Wins: 

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Jahmaal unpacks the difference between chemistry and character, and why so many people confuse emotional intensity with genuine alignment. 

In this solo episode, he breaks down how powerful connection can cloud judgment in relationships, friendships, business, and even hiring decisions.

He challenges listeners to stop using feelings as proof, start paying attention to patterns, and recognize that closure does not always come from the other person. 

This conversation is a thoughtful reminder that character reveals itself over time, and real peace begins when people stop outsourcing their healing and start choosing clarity for themselves.

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Episode Highlights:

 

0:00 - Introduction

2:41 - Chemistry

7:47 - Character

13:36 - The trap of ‘waiting for closure’

18:09 - Three practical shifts

20:54 - Final thoughts

 

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In this episode, I sit down with Terry Rice, speaker, entrepreneur, and leadership trainer, for a real conversation about addiction, identity, fatherhood, discipline, and what it means to live in alignment. 

Terry brings the perspective of someone who has rebuilt more than once, opening up about getting fired from Facebook, losing his son TJ, and how those experiences shaped the way he leads, lives, and serves others today. We talk about overcoming alcoholism, building a life with intention, and using your scars, not to hide, but to help others grow. Honest, challenging, and full of perspective, this one is for anyone trying to lead with more clarity, purpose, and truth.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:37 - Favorite genre of music and how it informs Terry’s life

4:15 - How Terry utilizes the gym

6:05 - Building resilience

8:35 - Terry’s why and his addiction to alcohol

13:57 - Exploring ‘functional addiction’

18:01 - How Terry hit his brick wall

24:38 - Your sense of purpose and conquering your addictions

27:52 - “What drives you today?”

32:55 - Work/life rhythms and getting alignment

39:37 - Being a dad and working, or having a business

42:23 - Episode wrap-up

 

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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Interested in learning more about Terry?

 

https://performancesystems.co/keynote

https://buildwiththem.com/

Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-rice/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsterryrice/

 

https://performancesystems.co/

R³ Performance Systems helps leaders and organizations build systems that work whether they feel motivated or not.

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WHAT YOU’LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE

01 - The Myth of External Closure

We’ve been conditioned to believe closure is something someone else delivers. Jahmaal unpacks why that belief is both biologically understandable and deeply damaging and introduces the Zeigarnik Effect, the psychological reason our minds grip unfinished situations so tightly.

“Closure is not a conversation. It’s a decision you make inside yourself about what that chapter meant and what you’re going to do next.”

02 - The Self-Sabotage Nobody Talks About

When unresolved pain goes unprocessed, we carry it forward, transferring it onto new managers, new partners, new collaborators who had nothing to do with the original wound. Jahmaal names this pattern “transferring pain forward” and explains why it masquerades as wisdom, discernment, and self-protection.

Key distinction from this segment:

Boundaries built from wisdom: identifying patterns, doing the work, watching for early signs

Walls built from unhealed wounds: treating everyone who resembles your past as a present-day threat

“You are punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit — and losing the very opportunities that could heal you.

03 - Your Internal Triggers Are Running the Show

A trigger isn’t just an emotional reaction — it’s your nervous system signaling that something unprocessed has been activated. The problem is that your nervous system cannot distinguish between what is actually dangerous and what merely resembles something that was dangerous before.

The result: you make survival decisions in contexts where survival isn’t actually at stake. You are fighting yesterday’s battle in today’s arena.

“When your unhealed triggers are driving, your future is being written by your past.”

Jahmaal also addresses why insight alone doesn’t equal healing and what it actually takes to update the internal narrative written at your most vulnerable moment.

04 - The Psychological Safety You’re Creating for Yourself

Here’s the reframe: your self-sabotage isn’t random. It isn’t weakness. It is strategy, a set of protective behaviors your psyche built to keep you safe. But there’s a critical difference between manufactured safety and real psychological safety.

Manufactured safety: controlled demolition of your own potential before someone else can cause the damage

Real psychological safety: the inner confidence that you can handle whatever comes, you will not be destroyed

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Burnout does not start with your calendar. It starts with what you keep tolerating. 

 

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Gwendolyn Oglesby-Odom, a healthcare executive and transformational servant leader, for a powerful conversation on boundaries, psychological safety, self-care, and what it really takes to lead without losing yourself. From non-negotiables and team culture to vulnerability and sustainable leadership, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone trying to build healthier people and stronger teams.

 

Episode Highlights:

0:24 - Introduction

1:40 - Favorite genre of music and how it shapes her life

3:29 - The wellness gap for leaders on the front lines

4:05 - Why self-care has to be scheduled

5:31 - Night routines, boundaries, and protecting rest

7:36 - Non-negotiables and the cost of renegotiating them

10:17 - Delegation, team structure, and leadership vision

12:51 - Psychological safety and leading with vulnerability

20:15 - What to do when your work environment is draining you

23:00 - Vacation, refueling, and the leadership case for rest

25:51 - Leading with love and building a healthy team culture

35:11 - Dr. Gwen’s billion-dollar healthcare investment in Chicago

 

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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