Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast

Software apps today are a hodgepodge of libraries, software development kits, and third party code, all stitched together like Frankenstein’s monster. Furthermore, software developers use common tools to create and deploy this software. The bad guys have figured out that by compromising one of these third party components or the tools used to create the products, they can instantly infect hundreds or thousands of products that all share the same underlying resources. This is a supply chain attack. Today we’ll discuss these single points of failure, how to identify them ahead of time and try to prevent these sorts of attacks with Cassie Crossley, CEO and co-founder of VulNow.

Interview Notes

Cassie Crossley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassiecrossley/ 

VulNow company website: https://vul.now/

VulNow’s Pre-CVE database: https://precve.vulnow.com/ 

CyBeats company website: https://www.cybeats.com/

Software Supply Chain Security (book): https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/software-supply-chain/9781098133696/ 

Proton blog on supply chain security: https://proton.me/business/blog/supply-chain-attack 

Malus AI re-write tool: https://www.404media.co/this-ai-tool-rips-off-open-source-software-without-violating-copyright/ 

xkcd on Dependency: https://xkcd.com/2347/ 

Updated dependency diagram: https://www.grc.com/SN/1078.jpg 

Further Info

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Table of Contents

0:00:14: Intro

0:00:35: Phase 2 reminder

0:01:52: Interview setup

0:06:05: What is VulNow?

0:08:34: What software is vulnerable to supply chain attacks?

0:13:16: Have you heard of AI clean room coding?

0:15:34: How do SW supply chain attacks work?

0:21:21: How do we identify the weak points?

0:34:24: What are SBOM’s and how do they work?

0:43:45: What is needed beyond SBOMs?

0:50:32: Can tools reveal the contents of SW?

0:56:13: How do we encourage SBOM creation?

1:01:35: As consumers, how do we know who to trust?

1:06:09: What’s next for you?

1:08:46: Wrap-up

1:13:23: Patron podcast preview

1:14:19: Looking ahead

As part of my celebration of the upcoming 500th podcast, I’m launching Phase 2 of my “cyber neighbor” campaign to both help as many people be more secure and private as possible, but to also learn from this experience so I can improve these campaigns in the future. In particular, as I write the 6th edition of my book, I’m funneling this feedback into improving those Tips, as well.

In the news: Flock considered utilizing ride share and delivery vehicles to expand their ALPR network; judge rules ‘tower dump’ warrants unconstitutional; BMW’s show Spider-Man ads; hackers reuse expired domains for scams and malware; US warns of more PLC attacks; US proposal would allow private companies to launch cyber attacks on foreign groups; terabytes of credentials stolen in supply chain attack; customer downloads his 515-page McDonald’s dossier; AI agent hacks gym site to book a class; town claims Flock reactivated cameras without notice; and Chrome trials new device-bound session credentials.

Article Links

News Briefs

Flock wanted to put license plate cameras on 350,000 Uber and Lyft dashcams: https://www.techspot.com/news/113407-flock-wanted-put-license-plate-cameras-350000-uber.html

‘Tower dump’ warrants ruled unconstitutional: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/6013559-mississippi-judge-declares-towers-dumps-unconstitutional

BMWs are showing a commercial at startup: https://boingboing.net/2026/08/06/bmws-are-showing-a-spider-man-movie-ad-at-startup.html

Hackers Spend Nearly $7 Million on Expired Domains to Redirect Traffic to Scams and Malware: https://thehackernews.com/2026/08/hackers-spend-nearly-7-million-on.html

Full Stories

US warns of AI-powered attacks on Siemens PLCs in critical infrastructure: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-warns-of-ai-powered-attacks-on-siemens-plcs-in-critical-infrastructure

In a first, US will allow some private firms to carry out cyberattacks: https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/13/in-a-first-us-will-allow-some-private-firms-to-carry-out-cyberattacks

Terabytes of credentials leaked in massive supply-chain attack: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/08/terabytes-of-credentials-leaked-in-massive-supply-chain-attack

McDonald’s Built a 515-Page Dossier on Me. It Says I’ll Never Stop Eating There: https://www.wired.com/story/mcdonalds-built-a-515-page-dossier-on-me-it-says-ill-never-leave

Told to book a gym class, an AI agent hacked the site instead to move its user up the waitlist: https://the-decoder.com/told-to-book-a-gym-class-an-ai-agent-hacked-the-site-instead-to-move-its-user-up-the-waitlist

Littleton claims Flock reactivated its cameras without notifying the town: https://www.lowellsun.com/2026/07/31/littleton-claims-flock-reactivated-its-cameras-without-notifying-the-town

Chrome adopts what may be the best protection yet against account takeovers: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/08/chrome-adopts-what-may-be-the-best-protection-yet-against-account-takeovers

Tip of the Week: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/digital-citizen-phase-2/ 

Further Info

Phase 2: https://fdsd.me/phase2 

Countdown to FDSD500!! https://fdsd500.com 

Get your FDSD500 merch!! https://fdsd.me/merch 

NoALPRs: https://noalprs.com/ 

FlockYou project: https://github.com/colonelpanichacks/flock-you 

My book: https://fdsd.me/book 

My newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter 

Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support 

Table of Contents

0:00:07: Intro

0:00:26: Public service announcements

0:03:20: News rundown

0:05:25: Flock in Uber, Lyft, delivery vehicles

0:07:13: Tower dump warrants ruled unconstitutional

0:08:33: Some BMW’s show Spider-Man ad

0:10:49: Hackers use expired domains for scams

0:13:24: US warns of AI attacked on PLCs

0:18:05: US authorizes private cyber attacks

0:24:53: Terabytes of credentials leaked in supply chain attack

0:32:13: McDonald’s customer dossier

0:39:44: AI agent hacks gym site

0:45:22: Town claims Flock reactivated its cameras

0:49:39: Google trialing device-bound session cookies

0:57:00: Tip of the Week

1:04:31: Wrap-up

1:05:22: Patron podcast preview

1:05:45: Looking ahead

It’s August, which means it’s time for Hacker Summer Camp once again! I flew out to a sweltering Las Vegas, Nevada, to attend two of the three major cybersecurity (“hacker”) conferences: BSides and DEF CON. I had an amazing week, spending time with new and old friends, meeting some of the people I’ve interviewed in person, lining up more podcast guests, and having wonderfully stimulating conversations with very smart people. While at DEF CON, I managed to record four mini interviews with Bob Lord, Naomi Brockwell, Josh Corman and the Dark Tangent himself, Jeff Moss. I will try to give you some idea what these conferences are like as we discuss several important and timely topics.

Interview Notes

Hacklore: https://www.hacklore.org/ 

Naomi Brockwell (NBTV): https://www.nbtv.media/ 

Ludlow Institute: https://www.ludlowinstitute.org/ 

Surveillance Accountability Act: https://www.surveillanceaccountability.com/ 

UnDisruptable27: https://u27.org 

I Am the Cavalry, BSides 2026 (Monday): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4C8stKbxBM 

BSides IATC schedule: https://bsideslv.org/schedule#IATC 

Cliff Stoll talk: https://www.youtube.com/live/_uYQr8hfpbI?t=13292s 

DEF CON: https://defcon.org/

DEF CON 20 Documentary: https://archive.org/details/DEFCON20Documentary 

DEF CON 33 Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb0kJXSy64E 

Further Info

Digital Citizen, Phase 1: https://fdsd.me/phase1 

Countdown to FDSD500!! https://fdsd500.com 

Get your FDSD500 merch!! https://fdsd.me/merch 

My book: https://fdsd.me/book 

My newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter 

Support the mission: https://fdsd.me/support 

Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons 

Table of Contents

0:00:07: Intro

0:00:50: Hacker Summer Camp

0:11:30: Interview preface

0:14:26: Bob Lord

0:21:18: Bob afterword

0:24:08: Naomi intro

0:26:09: Naomi Brockwell

0:35:51: Naomi afterword

0:40:58: Josh intro

0:42:58: Josh Corman

0:56:01: Josh afterword

1:01:08: Jeff intro

1:03:00: Jeff Moss

1:23:12: Jeff afterword

1:24:30: Wrap-up

1:26:20: Patron podcast preview

1:26:45: Phase 1 still going

1:27:13: Looking ahead

One of the most underrated uses for modern chatbots, in my estimation, is tech support. I don’t mean the chatbots offered by product websites, I mean using one of the “frontier” model bots to troubleshoot problems via chat conversations. They are extremely good at this – and they are infinitely patient and available 24/7. Today I’ll give you tips on how to try this for yourself. I think you’ll be amazed.

In the news: DEF CON bans Meta-style glasses; US military warns of personal cell phone use; GDPR suit over 1741 “partners” in share consent; US bans future robovacs; more TV streaming stick bad behavior; FTC sues Hims & Hers over health data sharing; Android “after call” ads malware; user’s private AI chats leaked; clever, annoying Mac malware; HuggingFace breached by OpenAI agent; Iran blamed for hacking 30 Minnesota water utilities.

Article Links

News Briefs

DEF CON bans Meta-style ‘pervert glasses’: https://www.theregister.com/security/2026/07/28/def-con-bans-meta-style-pervert-glasses/5279763

US military may require some troops in Mideast to surrender cell phones: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/us-commander-warns-troops-their-videos-help-iran-sources-say-2026-07-29

Full Stories

1,741 “informed” consents with one click?! GDPR complaint against dict.cc filed: https://noyb.eu/en/1741-informed-consents-one-click-gdpr-complaint-against-dictcc-filed

Almost all future robot vacuums were just banned by the US government: https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/29/almost-all-future-robot-vacuums-were-just-banned-by-the-us-government

Read This Before You Buy That TV Streaming Stick: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2026/07/read-this-before-you-buy-that-tv-streaming-stick

FTC sues Hims & Hers for allegedly sharing patients’ medical data with advertisers Meta and Snap: https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/30/ftc-sues-hims-hers-for-allegedly-sharing-patients-medical-data-with-advertisers-meta-and-snap

Aftercall ads are driving Android users crazy: https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/07/aftercall-ads-are-driving-android-users-crazy

Users’ private Claude chats revealed with simple Google search: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/07/28/privacy-is-dead-personal-ai-prompts-indexed-by-google-search

This new Mac malware won’t let you use your computer until you surrender your password: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/this-new-mac-malware-wont-let-you-use-your-computer-until-you-surrender-your-password

OpenFace: The Hugging Face Breach and What to Do About It: https://www.lutasecurity.com/post/openface-the-hugging-face-breach-and-what-to-do-about-it

Hackers disrupt over 30 Minnesota water utilities in coordinated OT attack: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-target-over-30-minnesota-water-utilities-in-coordinated-ot-attack

Tip of the Week: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/ai-tech-support-trust-but-verify/

Further Info

Digital Citizen, Phase 1: https://fdsd.me/phase1 

Countdown to FDSD500!! https://fdsd500.com 

Get your FDSD500 merch!! https://fdsd.me/merch 

Update All the Things! https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/update-all-the-things/ 

My book: https://fdsd.me/book 

My newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter 

Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support 

Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons 

Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch 

Table of Contents

0:00:07: Intro

0:00:40: PSA: Update!!

0:01:36: Countdown to 500

0:02:37: News Briefs

0:06:46: News rundown

0:08:50: GDPR complaint about 1741 “partners”

0:12:45: US bans foreign robots

0:16:13: Malicious, cheap streaming sticks

0:23:33: FTC sues Hims/Hers for sharing health data

0:27:34: Android “after call” ads

0:32:17: Private Claude chats in search results

0:38:18: Cleverly annoying Mac malware

0:45:31: Hugging Face breach lessons

0:54:08: Many US water utilites attacked by Iran

0:59:39: Tip of the Week

1:11:56: Wrap up

With so many cyber threats to report on, it’s easy to get lost in the weeds. It’s good to take a step back and look at the big picture every so often. Today, I’ll review some of the top security and privacy threats with investigative cybersecurity journalist Zack Whittaker from Tech Crunch. We’ll talk about age verification, mercenary spyware, surveillance capitalism, critical infrastructure hacks, AI and the proliferation of tracking in public spaces – and more!

Interview Notes

This Week in Security: https://this.weekinsecurity.com/ 

Zack at TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/author/zack-whittaker/ 

Zack’s homepage: https://zackwhittaker.com/ 

Project Sunshine: https://projectsunshine.org/about 

Filtr (Wipr) ad blocker for iPhone: https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/04/filtr-is-a-new-privacy-tool-that-blocks-ads-in-almost-every-iphone-and-mac-app/ 

Apple iPhone security: https://ssd.eff.org/module/how-to-get-to-know-iphone-privacy-and-security-settings 

Google Android security: https://ssd.eff.org/module/how-to-get-to-know-android-privacy-and-security-settings 

Zach’s list: 404media.co, metacurity.com, indicator.media, krebsonsecurity.com, techdirt.com, garbageday.email, thehandbasket.co, karlbode.com, risky.biz, lawdork.com, citationneeded.news, erininthemorning.com 

Further Info

Digital Citizen, Phase 1: https://fdsd.me/phase1 

Countdown to FDSD500!! https://fdsd500.com 

Get your FDSD500 merch!! https://fdsd.me/merch 

My book: https://fdsd.me/book 

My newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter 

Table of Contents

0:00:12: Intro

0:02:08: Interview setup

0:03:03: What is age gating?

0:07:45: What are the risks of age verification?

0:15:30: How do ads get our data?

0:21:33: How can ad data be abused?

0:28:11: What is mercenary spyware?

0:34:53: How do you protect against spyware?

0:41:04: How dangerous are nation-state attacks?

0:43:54: How do we defend against foreign attacks?

0:47:43: Does AI benefit defenders or attackers more?

0:51:24: How do we mitigate public mass surveillance?

0:57:01: What else worries you?

1:00:34: What’s next for you?

1:02:30: Wrap-up

1:07:50: Patron podcast preview

1:09:02: Looking ahead