Drummers on Drumming

This week on Drummers on Drumming, we’re revisiting a conversation with Richard Spaven, originally recorded in early 2021.

Richard has worked with artists including José James, Flying Lotus, Gang Starr, The Cinematic Orchestra, and Jameszoo. His solo work blends acoustic drums with the feel and texture of hip-hop, drum and bass, dubstep, and electronic music.

In this episode:

Teaching with honesty and helping students find their own voice

Treating dynamics as another layer of coordination

Creating programmed precision on an acoustic drum kit

Keeping complex grooves soulful and easy to feel

How the Amen break changed modern music

Living inside a music scene instead of simply studying it online

Learning from electronic beats without separating machines from musicians

Why smaller, higher-pitched kick drums can leave more space for the bass

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Richard also has a chapter in Volume One of the Drummers on Drumming book, where he goes deeper into several of the records discussed here.

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This week on Drummers on Drumming, we’re back with another installment of The Drum Panel.

This is part two of a two-part conversation with myself (⁠Ben⁠) ⁠Eric Urrea⁠, and ⁠Kyle Adams⁠.

Kyle plays drums for Cartel and does a ton of session work from his studio outside of Seattle.

In this episode:

Posting from purpose instead of chasing likes

Building a small, loyal audience over going viral

Where a drummer’s sound truly comes from

How different gear can change the way you play

Removing the small barriers that kill creative momentum

Balancing music, family, work, and social media

Making your career goals clear to the people around you

How genuine connections led Kyle to Cartel and Gretsch Drums

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This week on Drummers on Drumming, we’re back with another installment of The Drum Panel.

This is part one of a two-part conversation with myself (Ben) Eric Urrea, and Kyle Adams.

Kyle plays drums for Cartel and does a ton of session work from his studio outside of Seattle.

In this episode:

Why tempo can feel different on stage

Trusting, and questioning, your internal clock

Big cymbals, smaller cymbals, and changing taste

Shedding old influences

Mike Portnoy, Elon Rubin, Josh Freese, and Taylor Hawkins

Drumming identity and imposter syndrome

Fitness and longevity behind the kit

Posting from purpose versus pressure

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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

Today, I’m joined by my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City, La Armada) and returning guest Zack Albetta (Broadway's & Juliet , Working Drummer Podcast) for another installment of The Drum Panel.

In this episode:

The problem with ranking drummers

Playing the gig you are meant to play

Learning from teachers who do not gig

Technique versus musicianship

Why “proper technique” is not always one-size-fits-all

Listening to your body behind the kit

Click tracks, backing tracks, and modern live shows

Whether rock has become too polished

The difference between consistency and humanity

Why the drummer’s voice still matters

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Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, I’m joined by Carla Azar for a new installment of Big Fat Five.

Carla is the drummer, a vocalist, and a creative force behind Autolux. She has also worked with artists like PJ Harvey, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, Jim Keltner, and more. But as you’ll hear in this conversation, the résumé is only part of the story.

Carla’s playing has a rare kind of tension to it. It can feel mechanical and human at the same time. Heavy, strange, precise, loose, hypnotic, and deeply musical. She does not talk about drums as a way to show off. She talks about them as tone, shape, feel, texture, and response.

In this episode, we get into the records and drummers that helped form her voice.

CARLA'S BIG FAT FIVE:

Artist - James Brown

Album - Star Time

Release Year - 1991

Key Track(s) - "Funky Drummer,” “Say It Loud – I’m Black and I’m Proud”

Drummer - Clyde Stubblefield, Jabo Starks

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Artist - Can

Album - Tago Mago

Release Year - 1972

Key Track(s) - “Mushroom,” “Halleluhwah”

Drummer - Jaki Liebezeit

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Artist - The Beatles

Album - Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band

Release Year - 1967

Key Track(s) - “A Day in the Life”

Drummer - Ringo Starr

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Artist - Jimi Hendrix

Album - Are You Experienced

Release Year - 1967

Key Track(s) - “Manic Depression,” “Fire,” “Are You Experienced?,” “The Wind Cries Mary”

Drummer - Mitch Mitchell

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Artist - Aphex Twin

Album - Come to Daddy

Release Year - 1997

Key Track(s) - “Bucephalus Bouncing Ball,” “Come to Daddy - Mummy Mix”

Beat Architect - Richard D. James

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HONORABLE MENTIONS:

Charley Drayton - The first person Carla met and saw play in person and thought, “I want to play exactly like him.” He turned her onto the Star Time box set and the soul music that helped shape her playing.

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Arist - J Dilla

Album - Donuts

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Artist - Timbaland

Key Track(s) - Jay-Z’s “Dirt Off Your Shoulder” and “Nigga What, Nigga Who”

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