Unchained

In this double-header episode of Bits + Bips, Steven Ehrlich first speaks with Figure CEO Mike Cagney about why most tokenization projects fail, how Figure built an onchain mortgage replacement, and why he believes big banks may now be leading blockchain innovation. Then, Jason Brett joins the show to explain how an upcoming crypto market structure bill could expose President Trump’s World Liberty Financial as centralized, and why that matters for DeFi, regulation, and the industry’s credibility. Sponsors: Uniswap Mantle Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Mike Cagney, Co-founder and CEO of  Figure Technology Solutions Jason Brett, Former Banking Regulator With FDIC Links: Unchained: Inside Robinhood’s Big Super App Plan: ‘There’s Still a Lot of Work to Be Done’ Coinbase Launches Stock Trading and Prediction Markets How the GENIUS Act Creates a Built-In Advantage for Banks and Deposit Tokens Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this combined episode of Unchained, Steven Ehrlich first breaks down why crypto treasury stocks (DATs) have swung from massive premiums to deep discounts, why comparisons to GBTC can be misleading, and why buying these stocks isn’t a clean arbitrage trade but a long-term, high-conviction bet. You can read Steve’s full report here and you can subscribe for 95% OFF before the end of year! 😱 Then, Figment Capital’s Dougie DeLuca zooms out to the broader shift underway. As fintechs and institutions embrace blockchain infrastructure, he argues that “crypto as we know it” may be fading—and that crypto natives risk being left behind unless they adapt to real users, sustainable products, and mainstream distribution. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.  Thank you to our sponsor, Figure! Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure!  Guests: Dougie DeLuca, Investor and Researcher at Figment Capital Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Links: Unchained: Coinbase Launches Stock Trading and Prediction Markets Inside Robinhood’s Big Super App Plan: ‘There’s Still a Lot of Work to Be Done’ Dougie's “Crypto is Dead” article Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you to our sponsor, Multichain Advisors!What rights do token holders have? Is everyone getting rugged? In this episode of Uneasy Money, Ethena founder Guy Young joins hosts Kain Warwick, Luca Netz and Taylor Monahan to interrogate the lack of clarity around token expectations and rights as Aave DAO goes against Aave Labs and Circle acquires the Axelar team. Do centralized exchanges hold the solution? Plus, does MOVE's Rushi Manche deserve a second chance? And how can you stay safe from the fake Zoom scam? Hosts: Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Kain Warwick, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix Taylor Monahan, Security at MetaMask Guest: Guy Young, CEO & Founder of Ethena Labs Links: Unchained: AAVE Holders Question if DAO Quietly Redirected Revenue Away From Treasury SEC Ends Four-Year Probe Into Aave ‘Poison Pill’ Proposal Calls for Aave DAO to Take Over Aave Labs Jump Crypto’s Firedancer Goes Live on Solana Mainnet How to Trade Prediction Markets Without an Opinion on the Event MetaMask Adds Native Bitcoin Support Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  👀 01:39 Who owns Aave? 🤔 5:42 Is the DAO and Foundation model faulty? ⚡️ 11:29 Why tokens need clarity ⁉️ 16:23 Is the SEC to blame for the lack of token clarity? 💡 20:03 How lack of regulatory clarity arounds tokens boosts scams ⚔️ 22:00 The Solana client diversity debate 📍 25:48 How Circle's Axelar acquisition highlights the lack of token rights 💥30:20 How centralized exchanges can help secure rights for token holders 🧠 33:25 Luca explains why some tokens should not confer rights ⁉️ 39:48 Should Rushi Manche get a second chance? 🫨  47:01 Taylor unpacks messy details of Movement Labs’ MOVE token deals 💫 50:28 How the debate between Tarun Chitra and Dan Robinson provides a base for unraveling 10/10 ⚠️ 53:10 How Guy believes the crypto industry can prevent another 10/10 🚨 1:00:20 Why new fake Zoom scams are particularly dangerous  📽 1:04:04 Kain reveals how his domain registrar was socially engineered  🧏‍♀️ 1:08:20 What to do if you are a victim of the fake Zoom scam 👀 1:09:41 Is adding leverage to Polymarket “pure insanity?” ⚡️ 1:11:47 What to know about MetaMask's Bitcoin support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Figure Uniswap Robinhood is moving toward offering a full suite of crypto services and overhauling the infrastructure underpinning its stock trading services with blockchain technology.  In this episode of Unchained, Robinhood Crypto Senior Vice President and General Manager Johann Kerbrat discusses the company's “super app ambitions” and potential competition with Coinbase.  He also discusses the platform's entry into prediction markets and resistance from state regulators. Could state opposition to prediction markets drive businesses offshore? Plus, will tokenized stocks make IPOs redundant? And where are we in the crypto market? Guest: Johann Kerbrat, Senior Vice President and General Manager of Robinhood Crypto Links: Previous appearances on Unchained: Why Robinhood, a TradFi Hub, Is Growing Its Crypto Business Globally Unchained: Robinhood Is Building Its Own Layer 2 Blockchain Perps Are Coming to America. Will Coinbase and Robinhood Win the Race? OpenAI Says Robinhood’s Stock Tokens Are Not Equity Coinbase Expands Into Tokenized Stocks and Prediction Markets Coinbase Launches Digital Token Sales Platform Coinbase Buys Cobie’s ‘Up Only’ NFT and Echo in $375 Million Deal Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  🤔 1:33 What drove Robinhood's 3x year-on-year crypto revenue growth in Q3? 💡 5:34 Why Johann says we are still far from a bear market 💥 7:49 How the crypto users on Robinhood have evolved overtime ⚔️ 11:08 How Robinhood views competition from Coinbase 🧏 14:30 What Robinhood's Susquehanna deal for prediction markets brings to the table 👀 18:48 Could state opposition to prediction markets drive businesses offshore? 💡 20:34 Why Robinhood chose Ethereum over Solana 🤔 25:19 When will Robinhood bring perps to other jurisdictions? 📍 27:00 Why Robinhood chose to invest in Lighter over the competition ⚠️ 29:17 Why Johann says the crypto industry needs to build resilience after 10/10 📈 33:50 How Robinhood's tokenized stock offering might come to the US 💥 39:16 Why Johann says private companies would eventually seek retail participation 💡 43:26 What tokenization of physical assets would look like 💫 47:12 How tokenization could impact the financial lives of users 🚨 49:18 Why Johann thinks crypto founders should talk less about the protocol 🧏‍♂️ 51:19 How Robinhood is looking to combine with DeFi  🤔 53:03 Will Robinhood follow Coinbase to launch an ICO platform? ⚡️ 54:22 Why Robinhood is expanding to Indonesia 🗣 56:28 What being a “super app” means for Robinhood  🔮 58:11 Johann reveals his crypto predictions for 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The SEC this week held a roundtable on financial surveillance and privacy in another sign of the major shift in the regulator's approach to crypto. In this DEX in the City episode, Espresso co-founder Jill Gunter joins hosts Jessi Brooks and Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos to unpack the major talking points and takeaways from the roundtable. And more importantly, what it signals about the SEC’s approach to crypto and privacy. With legacy financial institutions coming onchain, like JPMorgan and DTTC, they discuss how crypto can actually help prevent data breaches and have a better product for users and companies alike.  Interestingly, Jill recounts how she lost $30,000 in an exploit involving crypto mixer Railgun and why she didn’t even try to hide it from regulators at the roundtable.  Plus, was Do Kwon's sentence excessive? Well, according to Jessi, it’s a complicated question, but she unpacks what people misunderstood about the judge’s decision. Hosts: Jessi Brooks, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, General Counsel at StarkWare Guest: Jill Gunter, Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Espresso Systems Links: Unchained: Why the Privacy Coins Mania Is Much More Than Price Action Do Kwon Sentenced to 15 Years in Prison Jessi's and Katherine's paper on programmable risk management Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  ⚡️ 3:23 How SEC privacy roundtable marks a sea change in the regulatory approach to crypto  💡 12:39 Why privacy is also important for legacy institutions moving onchain  📍 17:31 How projects and institutions can be compliant while collecting less data 🤧 24:57 Jill recounts being the victim of a hack and seeing the hackers use a privacy protocol ❕️ 30:36 Why Jill says the hack did not change her perspective on crypto privacy 😎 33:30 How far the crypto industry has come since Tornado Cash ⚔️ 35:54 The debate over proof of innocence  ⚖️ 42:09 What everyone misunderstood about Do Kwon's sentence 💫 52:24 Shoutout to Save the Children for their innovative Bitcoin initiative Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices