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• Bits + Bips: How Stocks May Decouple From Bitcoin—and Why TradFi Should Love a HYPE DAT - Ep. 972

  In this special double-feature episode of Bits + Bips, Unchained executive editor Steve Ehrlich brings listeners two of the clearest investor perspectives on where the crypto markets may be headed next. First, Owen Lau, Managing Director at Clear Street, breaks down why crypto equities remain so tightly correlated to Bitcoin—and what might finally cause that link to break. He unpacks the growing role of stablecoin revenue, Coinbase and Circle’s evolving business models, and why a market structure bill in 2026 could reshape the sector. Then, in the second half, Bob Diamond and David Schamis of Hyperliquid Strategies explain why they believe Hyperliquid and its HYPE token represent one of the most compelling opportunities in digital assets. They walk through the rationale for their DAT, Hyperliquid’s performance during extreme market volatility, and the broader ecosystem being built through HIP-3 and beyond. Sponsors: Mantle Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Owen Lau, Managing Director at Clear Street Bob Diamond, Founding Partner and CEO of Atlas Merchant Capital David Schamis, Founding Partner and CIO of Atlas Merchant Capital Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:23 Owen’s outlook on crypto stocks—and what really drives them today 5:19 Why Coinbase’s stock is struggling while revenue goes up 7:47 Why so many crypto companies are spending heavily to expand distribution 10:58 Whether the 10/10 crash changed how analysts evaluate public crypto companies 14:41 Will public crypto companies enter prediction markets next? 17:02 How Coinbase and Circle are positioning themselves in this emerging area 23:00 What Citadel Securities’ push for SEC regulation of DeFi means for the industry 24:55 How a market structure bill could reshape the outlook for altcoins 27:03 Would a public crypto company buy a DAT trading below its NAV? 28:59 Has the window for crypto IPOs already closed? Part 2  32:57 How David and Bob first got into crypto  38:57 Why a DAT for Hyperliquid is necessary  42:40 Why they say their stock is a major opportunity right now  45:55 How running an altcoin DAT differs from doing one for ETH or BTC  48:54 How the DAT deal was structured—and Paradigm’s role  51:38 How they’re avoiding the big sell-offs typical in PIPE deals  53:11 Why there was a gap between announcing the DAT and executing it  55:14 Why Sonnet Therapeutics will remain operational post-transaction  57:51 Why the 10/10 liquidation event made Bob more confident in Hyperliquid  1:04:19 The broader Hyperliquid ecosystem—far beyond the DEX  1:06:42 Why David says perps are far better products than options  1:10:12 Why regulatory clarity is critical for Hyperliquid’s long-term success  1:13:37 What HIP-3 unlocks for builders building around perps  1:14:46 How prediction markets could integrate with perpetuals  1:15:49 How Hyperliquid can compete with major exchanges and crypto giants  1:21:18 Why Hyperliquid’s feed is so much faster than other chains  1:22:28 The $1 billion shelf offering—and how they plan to accumulate more HYPE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Is Strategy's Model Unraveling? What is Driving the Recent Rout and Where It Can Go From Here - Ep. 971

  Michael Saylor's Strategy has not had the year it hoped for. Amid an explosion of copycats and Bitcoin price weakness, the company has seen its valuation and so-called mNAV crash. In this special episode of Unchained, Praxos co-founder Vinny Lingham and The Benchmark Company Analyst Mark Palmer join Unchained Executive Editor Steve Ehrlich to debate Strategy's outlook. They discuss the impact of new preferred stocks on common shareholders, the company's new cash reserve and the potential impacts of MSCI exclusion.   They also delve into what the Bitcoin digital asset treasury ecosystem could look like in the future and whether Strategy could have employed a better acquisition model. Thank you to our sponsors! ⁠Uniswap⁠ ⁠Mantle Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Vinny Lingham, Co-founder of Praxos Capital Mark Palmer, Senior Equity Research Analyst at The Benchmark Company Links: Unchained: Bits + Bips: Vanguard’s Crypto U-Turn, Tether/MSTR FUD & Picking Future Winners Bits + Bips: Why the Markets Now Have a Bullish Setup Senate Committee Shares Bipartisan Draft on Crypto Market Structure Bill Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  📈 2:14 Why Mark still expects Strategy to outperform  📉 5:28 Why Vinny says Strategy preferred stocks are “vampiric” 🤔 11:45 Is Strategy's cash reserve a little too late? 👀 17:11 Debating Strategy's preferreds v. common stock 💡 19:44 How preferreds and CLARITY Act could enable Strategy to start buying Bitcoin dips as well 🫠 24:26 What happens if MSCI delists Strategy 🧠 30:34 The implications of Strategy's recent talk of selling and lending Bitcoin ⚠️ 36:25 Why it might be too late when Strategy decides to sell 🔮 39:28 How the Bitcoin DAT ecosystem could evolve as companies differentiate 🤔 44:17 Could Strategy have employed a better Bitcoin acquisition strategy? 💫 45:30 Closing thoughts on Strategy's future Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Uneasy Money: Did Solana Dapp Kamino Break the Golden Rule of DeFi? - Ep. 970

  Thank you to our Sponsor, Uniswap! Ethereum Fusaka is live, Infinex has embarked on its token sale, Hyperliquid is bolstering its HIP-3 markets and there is drama in Solana’s DeFi land. In this episode of Uneasy Money, hosts Kain Warwick, Luca Netz and Taylor Monahan delve into the significance and implications of the Fusaka upgrade and the controversy surrounding Infinex's token sale. They also take a look at the promise and risks of Hyperliquid's buzzing perp futures markets on tokenized equities and Kamino's controversial response to competition from Jupiter. In addition, they touch on Anthropic's smart contract study and the recent Yearn Finance exploit. Hosts: Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Kain Warwick, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix Taylor Monahan, Security at MetaMask Links: Unchained: Cheaper Fees and No More Free Lunch for Layer 2s? Inside Ethereum’s Fusaka Upgrade Ethereum’s Layer 1 Lacks a Perp DEX. Synthetix Intends to Change That HIP-3 Records $500 Million in Daily Volume Uneasy Money: Hyperliquid’s Dilemma After 10/10: Protect Itself or Its Users? Uneasy Money: ICOs Are Back and Why Airdrops Are Instantly Dumped Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction ⚡️ 01:32 How Ethereum's shipping cadence has changed ⛽️ 9:36 Will Ethereum gas fees spike again? ⚔️ 12:26 Infinex's token sale controversy 💡 12:54 Kain explains the reasoning behind Infinex's ICO model 💥 18:47 What's driving the Infinex ICO controversy 🧏 24:11 How Hyperliquid's HIP-3 upgrade is changing DeFi participation 🤔 25:58 Are Hyperliquid's tokenized equities perps asking for SEC trouble? 🤺 38:48 Kamino v. Jupiter drama 🧐 44:59 Does Solana’s commercial tilt encourage more “gloves off” competition? 👀 50:51 Will Kamino users exit en masse? ❕️51:32 Anthropic's smart contract study coincides with Yearn Finance hack 💡 54:40 How AI can help bolster crypto security Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• The Chopping Block: Token Launch Hype, L1 Wars & Prediction Market Breakouts - Ep. 969

  Welcome to The Chopping Block — where Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner cover crypto’s biggest moments. This week we’re joined by Kevin from the Monad Foundation as we dig into the most chaotic token launch of the year. Monad goes live, CT explodes, and the tokenomics wars come roaring back — vesting, float, FDV, and why everything “just keeps going down.” We break down whether the world actually needs another L1, how hype creates impossible expectations, and how Kevin and the Monad team are handling the spotlight — and the hate. Then we shift to security chaos: Yearn’s underflow hack, Anthropic’s AI discovering real smart contract vulnerabilities, and “post-quantum” panic sweeping Crypto Twitter. Plus: BTC volatility, MicroStrategy drama, and prediction markets suddenly going mainstream. Show highlights 🔹 Monad’s explosive token launch — hype, backlash, and why it became CT’s main character of the week. 🔹 Kevin joins to break down the launch mechanics, the expectations, and what the team actually prepared for. 🔹 “Low float, high FDV” returns — why vesting debates reignited and why tokens keep sliding despite higher floats. 🔹 Do we really need another L1? The crew dissects infrastructure fatigue, tribalism, and what counts as real differentiation. 🔹 Why hype almost guarantees disappointment — and why early sentiment rarely predicts long-term outcomes. 🔹 Handling the hate — Kevin explains how the team reframes attention, survives the noise, and stays focused post-launch. 🔹 Yearn Sonic exploit — a simple underflow bug hits an OG DeFi protocol, reigniting security concerns. 🔹 AI finds zero-days — Anthropic’s agents discover new smart-contract vulnerabilities and spark an AI security arms race. 🔹 Quantum panic — why “post-quantum” became CT’s latest engagement meta and what it actually means for chains. 🔹 Macro shakeups — BTC volatility, MicroStrategy flirting with NAV, and equities demolishing crypto returns. 🔹 Prediction markets breakout — Polymarket’s US launch, Kalshi’s mega raise, and Robinhood bringing event contracts in-house. 🔹 Long-tail opportunity — why prediction markets may extend far beyond politics and sports to everything people care about. Hosts: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️ Kevin McCordic, Director of Growth at Monad Foundation ⁠Disclosures⁠ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:21 Monad: Hype, Hate & Week-One Reality 06:08 Vesting, Float & the “Low Float, High FDV” Meta 17:27 Do We Need Another L1?  25:08 Public Perception, Expectations & Narrative Cycles 35:54 Yearn’s yETH Exploit & Anthropic’s Exploit Agents  44:06 MSTR at NAV & Equities Leaving Crypto Behind 48:06 Polymarket vs. Kalshi vs. Robinhood Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Cheaper Fees and No More Free Lunch for Layer 2s? Inside Ethereum's Fusaka Upgrade - Ep. 966

  Ethereum for the first time ever has rolled out a second major upgrade within a year. Fusaka has gone live less than six months after Pectra. In this Unchained podcast episode, Offchain Labs Prysm Team Ethereum Cored Developer Preston Van Loon joins Protocol Watch founder Christine D. Kim to unpack how Fusaka would make transactions cheaper, improve the UX for users and impact layer 2 chain operators. They also discuss the relatively short time to deployment and how this is impacting client and layer 2 teams. Preston also explains why he is less nervous about Fusaka than he was about Pectra and the indicators of success. Plus what comes next after the hard fork. Thank you to our sponsors! Uniswap  Mantle  Guests: Christine D. Kim, Host of Ready for Merge Podcast and writer of ​​ACD After Hours Preston Van Loon, Ethereum Core Developer working at Prysm by Offchain Labs Previous appearances on Unchained:  How Will ETH React to Ethereum’s Shanghai Upgrade? Links: Unchained: Ethereum Fusaka Upgrade Clears Final Test Before December Launch Ethereum Gave Away Too Much for Too Long. Will Its Pivot Be Enough? Timestamps: 🚀 0:00 Introduction 👀 4:39 How Fusaka is scaling Ethereum's data layer without imposing big hardware requirements  💡 11:44 How Fusaka is “a big stepping stone” to Ethereum's proto-danksharding vision 💥 15:08 Why the Fusaka launch timeline is a significant milestone for Ethereum developers  🫆 17:12 How Fusaka will make signing transactions easier 👀 18:37 How Fusaka will impact layer 2 operators  🤔 22:49 Are layer 2 chains ready for Fusaka? ⁉️ 29:30 Can L2s benefit from PeerDAS without features like backfilling? 🤔 32:41 Did developers have enough time to prepare for Fusaka? 🫣 34:31 Do faster development timelines impact client diversity? 🧏 40:24 What should have been done differently with Fusaka preparations 📽 42:27 The best way to watch the Fusaka upgrade in real time 💡 44:20 Why Preston is less nervous about Fusaka than Pectra 🚦46:01 Indicators of Fusaka success 📝 46:45 Preston's risk assessment for blob parameter only hard forks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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