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    How Crypto Users Get Rekt and How You Can Stay Safe - Ep. 987

    12/24/2025 | 1h 18 mins.

    Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Security remains work in progress for crypto — and that may be putting it mildly. This year Bybit was hacked for $1.5 billion, the largest exploit ever, crypto or otherwise.  In this Unchained episode, Security Alliance members explain how crypto exploits have evolved, why smart contracts are no longer the primary vulnerability and why a security plan alone may not be enough. They take us inside how North Koreans are getting jobs at crypto and tech companies and how they operate.  Plus, best practices for individuals that intend to hold their assets for the long-term. Test transactions and 2FA based on authenticator apps may not be ideal. Thank you to our sponsors, ⁠Uniswap⁠ and ⁠Mantle⁠! Guests: Pablo Sabbatella, Member of SEAL (Security Alliance) and Founder of Opsek Isaac Patka, Wargames Initiative Lead at SEAL, and Founder of Shield3 Links: Unchained: How the $1.5 Billion Bybit Hack Could Have Been Prevented The Chopping Block: Code, Chaos & Consequences — What the Balancer Hack and Rollback Debates Mean for Crypto’s Future How AI Agents Hacked Smart Contracts for $1 Apiece – DEX in the City DEX in the City: How Privacy in Crypto Makes Everyone’s Finances More Secure Chainalysis crypto crime report SEAL 911 bot SEAL website with profiles of confirmed DPRK IT workers Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  ⚠️ 1:27 How social engineering has become the primary driver of crypto exploits 🤔 8:28 What does SEAL do? 💡 12:08 Why safe harbor for white hats matters 👀 14:41 Why North Koreans are infiltrating U.S. companies? 🫠 18:03 How the North Korean IT jobs scheme has evolved with “laptop farms” 😬 22:05 How North Korean IT workers steal crypto from companies and how to avoid hiring them ⚠️ 32:20 Isaac explains how companies can minimize losses even with North Korean hackers on staff 🤯 35:52 Why Isaac doesn't do test transactions ❕️ 38:19 How Bybit was targeted ⁉️ 49:41 The primary ways individuals get hacked 🚨 54:28 How individuals can avoid getting rekt 💡 1:08:42 What privacy means for crypto security 🤧 1:12:38 What to do if your assets are stolen 💫 1:15:41 Useful security resources for individuals and companies Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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    Bits + Bips: Will Crypto Rise on Liquidity or Will 2026 See Another Washout? - Ep. 988

    12/23/2025 | 55 mins.

    Thank you to our sponsor, Mantle. Sign up for their hackathon here!After a “weird” year in the markets, hosts Ram Ahluwalia and Christopher Perkins are joined by Ava Labs’ President John Wu for a candid debate about where crypto really is in the cycle—and what needs to happen next. The panel wrestles with a question many investors are quietly asking: has the market washed out enough to set up the next move, or is something still missing? They explore why momentum has faded, what signs would suggest it’s coming back, and why 2026 keeps coming up in long-term conversations—even as near-term enthusiasm remains divided. Plus, why TGEs are “dying” and, with the rise of super apps, does Coinbase has an edge on Web2 players like Robinhood?  Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund Guest: John Wu, President of Ava Labs Links: Unchained:  Circle Acquires Interop Labs Team, Excludes Axelar Foundation and Token  Aave’s Rushed Governance Vote Draws Backlash UNI Token Rallies as Voting Begins on UNIfication Proposal Bitcoin’s Demand Boom is Fading: CryptoQuant Alex Thorn predicts BTC will reach $250K by end of 2027  Memento’s research on TGEs  Jeff Dorman on X: “I don’t know a single liquid fund that has bought a new token on TGE in over 2 years.” CoinDesk: Coinbase rolls out stock trading, prediction markets and more in bid to become the 'Everything Exchange' The Block:  Coinbase to acquire prediction markets startup The Clearing Company AAVE token holder proposes 'poison pill' for DAO to absorb Aave Labs amid contentious revenue debate Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📉 1:55 What made this a truly “weird year” for markets 🗓️ 7:09 Why 2026 may be a breakout year and why not all tokens may survive 🌊 8:41 Whether a big washout is ahead and what actually brings momentum back 🔁 13:40 How the four-year cycle, midterms, and new cohorts keep reshaping crypto demand 🏦 20:30 The fight over institutional settlement layers and Canton’s rise 🧩 24:34 Why tokens exist at all and where real value capture is getting lost ⚖️ 30:19 How investors should think about the constant tug-of-war between equity and tokens 📊 41:07 Why Chris feels constructive on markets while Ram sees something missing 💵 43:52 Why stablecoins are quietly becoming the “new net interest income” 📱 44:51 How super apps are changing the game and why Coinbase may have an edge over Robinhood 🧟 53:16 Why token generation events are fading Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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    Lessons From A Successful Tokenization Project & What Market Structure Reveals About Trump-Linked WLFI’s False Promises: Bits + Bips - Ep. 986

    12/20/2025 | 1h 3 mins.

    In this double-header episode of Bits + Bips, Steven Ehrlich first speaks with Figure CEO Mike Cagney about why most tokenization projects fail, how Figure built an onchain mortgage replacement, and why he believes big banks may now be leading blockchain innovation. Then, Jason Brett joins the show to explain how an upcoming crypto market structure bill could expose President Trump’s World Liberty Financial as centralized, and why that matters for DeFi, regulation, and the industry’s credibility. Sponsors: Uniswap Mantle Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Mike Cagney, Co-founder and CEO of  Figure Technology Solutions Jason Brett, Former Banking Regulator With FDIC Links: Unchained: Inside Robinhood’s Big Super App Plan: ‘There’s Still a Lot of Work to Be Done’ Coinbase Launches Stock Trading and Prediction Markets How the GENIUS Act Creates a Built-In Advantage for Banks and Deposit Tokens Timestamps:  🚀 00:00 Introduction  🧠 1:48 What is a HELOC? 💡 4:48 How Figure is turning HELOCs into a mortgage replacement ⚡️ 7:58 How Figure issues loans from origination to disbursement 📍 11:28 Why Figure uses a blockchain  ⚠️ 12:15 Cagney explains how liquidity poses a challenge for many tokenization projects 🧏‍♂️ 13:10 Why the real value proposition is in DeFi and how Figure is bring $1 billion on-chain 📃 14:14 Cagney reveals Figure's preferred DeFi platforms  💥 16:09 How the GENIUS Act could drive assets onchain  ⚡️ 17:46 How Figure is working towards stablecoin settlement of loans 👀 23:40 Why Cagney says the big banks are doing more disruptive work than the likes of Coinbase ⚖️ 27:53 What Cagney is advocating for around DeFi in DC and his litmus test for decentralization  ❕️ 31:30 Why Cagney believes anonymity is not necessary for decentralization CLIP 💡 33:32 How Cagney deals with the pressures of going public 🧠 34:32 Why Cagney has taken a different philosophical approach to Robinhood and Coinbase  💥 37:05 Cagney explains what it takes for tokenization projects to succeed 41:55 Intro 45:51 If crypto finally gets rules, what then? 49:39 Frozen wallets: the DeFi dealbreaker 55:51 Has the White House picked a DeFi side? 56:36 Why this goes beyond “ethics” 58:49 If Trump’s DeFi fails the test… then what? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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    DAT Stocks Are on Sale. Are They a Buy? Plus, Why Crypto Is Dead - Ep.985

    12/20/2025 | 54 mins.

    In this combined episode of Unchained, Steven Ehrlich first breaks down why crypto treasury stocks (DATs) have swung from massive premiums to deep discounts, why comparisons to GBTC can be misleading, and why buying these stocks isn’t a clean arbitrage trade but a long-term, high-conviction bet. You can read Steve’s full report here and you can subscribe for 95% OFF before the end of year! 😱 Then, Figment Capital’s Dougie DeLuca zooms out to the broader shift underway. As fintechs and institutions embrace blockchain infrastructure, he argues that “crypto as we know it” may be fading—and that crypto natives risk being left behind unless they adapt to real users, sustainable products, and mainstream distribution. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.  Thank you to our sponsor, Figure! Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure!  Guests: Dougie DeLuca, Investor and Researcher at Figment Capital Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Links: Unchained: Coinbase Launches Stock Trading and Prediction Markets Inside Robinhood’s Big Super App Plan: ‘There’s Still a Lot of Work to Be Done’ Dougie's “Crypto is Dead” article Timestamps: 👏 0:00 Intro 📘 1:16 What a DAT actually is and why mNAV matters more than most people think 📉 5:16 How deep the discounts really are and why some of them are optical illusions ⚖️ 7:12 Whether mNAVs should trade back to 1 and when that assumption breaks 🔁 8:59 How this compares to the GBTC discount and why the analogy can be dangerous 🧱 13:44 Why many DATs are stuck below mNAV and what’s structurally holding them down 🔍 16:34 How to pressure test different DATs to see which ones are opportunity and which are traps 19:34 Introduction 21:03 Why Dougie thinks crypto natives could be left behind as the market evolves 24:33 Why Dougie sees the current incentive-heavy crypto strategy fading away 27:13 Is crypto’s high risk market “saturated?” 28:32 Why Dougie sees Robinhood as a shining example of where crypto is going 29:46 How companies are shifting their strategies for this new moment in crypto 31:41 Why Dougie says the crypto label would be baggage in the future 33:13 Which companies are best positioned for the next phase of crypto adoption? 35:42 Which companies would have to evolve to survive? 42:11 Will the DeFi Mullet strategy prove successful? 42:17 Which parts of crypto culture should survive? 43:14 Why Dougie says Coinbase's content coins are still in their early innings 47:34 How crypto becomes mainstream 51:03 Is the four-year Bitcoin cycle over? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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    Uneasy Money: Why Tokenholders Have No Rights & Why Every DAO ‘Has Failed’ - Ep. 984

    12/19/2025 | 1h 14 mins.

    Thank you to our sponsor, Multichain Advisors!What rights do token holders have? Is everyone getting rugged? In this episode of Uneasy Money, Ethena founder Guy Young joins hosts Kain Warwick, Luca Netz and Taylor Monahan to interrogate the lack of clarity around token expectations and rights as Aave DAO goes against Aave Labs and Circle acquires the Axelar team. Do centralized exchanges hold the solution? Plus, does MOVE's Rushi Manche deserve a second chance? And how can you stay safe from the fake Zoom scam? Hosts: Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Kain Warwick, Founder of Infinex and Synthetix Taylor Monahan, Security at MetaMask Guest: Guy Young, CEO & Founder of Ethena Labs Links: Unchained: AAVE Holders Question if DAO Quietly Redirected Revenue Away From Treasury SEC Ends Four-Year Probe Into Aave ‘Poison Pill’ Proposal Calls for Aave DAO to Take Over Aave Labs Jump Crypto’s Firedancer Goes Live on Solana Mainnet How to Trade Prediction Markets Without an Opinion on the Event MetaMask Adds Native Bitcoin Support Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  👀 01:39 Who owns Aave? 🤔 5:42 Is the DAO and Foundation model faulty? ⚡️ 11:29 Why tokens need clarity ⁉️ 16:23 Is the SEC to blame for the lack of token clarity? 💡 20:03 How lack of regulatory clarity arounds tokens boosts scams ⚔️ 22:00 The Solana client diversity debate 📍 25:48 How Circle's Axelar acquisition highlights the lack of token rights 💥30:20 How centralized exchanges can help secure rights for token holders 🧠 33:25 Luca explains why some tokens should not confer rights ⁉️ 39:48 Should Rushi Manche get a second chance? 🫨  47:01 Taylor unpacks messy details of Movement Labs’ MOVE token deals 💫 50:28 How the debate between Tarun Chitra and Dan Robinson provides a base for unraveling 10/10 ⚠️ 53:10 How Guy believes the crypto industry can prevent another 10/10 🚨 1:00:20 Why new fake Zoom scams are particularly dangerous  📽 1:04:04 Kain reveals how his domain registrar was socially engineered  🧏‍♀️ 1:08:20 What to do if you are a victim of the fake Zoom scam 👀 1:09:41 Is adding leverage to Polymarket “pure insanity?” ⚡️ 1:11:47 What to know about MetaMask's Bitcoin support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world. Disclosure: I'm a nocoiner.
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