#36 Stephen Smith: Safety vs. Sanity: The Surprising Cost of Over-Regulating Our Built World
In this episode, I sit down with Stephen Smith, founder of the Center for Building, to uncover the labyrinthine world of building codes—how they’re made, who really influences them, and why they end up stifling the very innovation and affordability we need. From the peculiarities of elevator requirements to the often overlooked role of local politics and special interests, we unpack how these complex rules shape our homes, buildings, and cities more than we might realize.TAKEAWAYSWhy Building Codes Matter: Even if you’re not a builder or developer, codes dictate your home’s layout, the price of housing, and whether your favorite small condo project can even get off the ground.The ICC (International Code Council) Isn’t Really “International”: You’ll learn how this non-governmental body, which writes most U.S. building codes, can be both extremely influential and surprisingly insular.Over-Regulation’s Real-World Costs: We break down how elevator mandates, fire codes, and accessibility requirements—though well-intended—sometimes create perverse incentives that drive up costs or discourage better solutions.Local Politics & Hidden Interests: Discover how “government members” and private manufacturers shape these codes, and why your mayor or city council may have little say in regulations that affect everyone.A Path Forward: Stephen shares practical ways policymakers and citizens can get involved in reforming the system, focusing on a more human-centered approach that balances safety, cost, and beautyCHAPTERS00:00 The Challenge of Building Codes in the U.S.03:06 The Role of Building Codes in Urban Development05:46 Understanding the American Way of Building09:09 The Impact of Building Codes on Housing Costs12:09 Elevator Regulations and Their Consequences14:52 Harmonization of Codes and Standards18:11 Over-Dimensioning in American Construction21:05 Labor Issues in the Construction Industry23:57 The Need for Code Review and Justification26:49 The Tyranny of Bureaucracy in Building Codes38:49 The Grenfell Fire and Its Aftermath45:05 Design Innovations in Building Codes48:25 Understanding the ICC and Code Writing58:09 The Revolving Door: Industry and Regulation01:07:26 The Role of Government in Building Codes01:15:20 Getting Involved: Supporting Change in Building CodesCONNECT WITH STEPHENCenter for Building https://www.centerforbuilding.org/BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/stephenjacobsmith.com Email:
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