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Karol Markowicz sits down with education researcher and policy expert Jay Greene, Director of Research at Do No Harm and Senior Fellow at the Defense of Freedom Institute for Policy Studies, for a wide-ranging conversation about school choice, antisemitism, higher education, DEI, medicine, and the future of American education.
Greene explains his research into antisemitism and challenges the idea that greater education necessarily reduces anti-Jewish attitudes. He discusses an experiment designed to measure differences in how respondents treated Jewish and non-Jewish subjects and offers his theory about the political and social forces that can sustain antisemitism.
Karol and Jay also dive into the dramatic expansion of school choice, including Greene’s role in developing what he calls the “Red State Strategy.” Greene explains why advocates shifted their argument toward parental control over children's education and discusses the growth of universal school-choice programs following the pandemic.
Plus, Greene discusses why he believes Jewish institutional life could experience a renaissance, his upcoming research, and why his advice for young people is simple: start adulthood early—work, marry, build a family, and avoid unnecessarily delaying adulthood.
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Clay Travis gives a detailed analysis of the 2026 midterm elections and the battle for control of Congress, with Clay asking whether Republicans waited too long to launch their major advertising offensive. He contrasts Democratic and Republican campaign strategies, arguing that Democrats spent heavily over the summer attacking Republican candidates including Ken Paxton in Texas, Mike Collins in Georgia, Michael Whatley in North Carolina, and Susan Collins in Maine, while also promoting Democratic candidates including Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan. Republicans, by contrast, largely conserved their resources until the final stretch of the campaign and are now significantly increasing their spending. Clay questions whether this late advertising barrage will move the polls as Election Day approaches and voters begin paying closer attention to the races. He also challenges the broader polling narrative suggesting Democrats can simultaneously threaten Republicans in traditionally red states such as Texas, Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, and Alaska while Republicans remain competitive in traditionally Democratic or politically divided states such as Minnesota, Michigan, Maine, and New Hampshire. He argues that polling has historically underestimated Republican support and discusses the difficulty modern pollsters face reaching voters who routinely ignore calls from unknown numbers.
The Michigan Senate race receives additional attention after Clay plays audio of Colin Kaepernick praising Abdul El-Sayed and Zohran Mamdani. Clay sharply criticizes Kaepernick’s political views and issues a public challenge offering $2 million to a mutually agreed-upon charity if Kaepernick will participate in a one-hour, no-topics-off-limits interview with him. He says he would use such an interview to challenge Kaepernick on his previous political and social commentary, including his comparisons involving the NFL Combine. Clay then uses Kaepernick’s endorsement of El-Sayed to return to Michigan politics, arguing that voters unhappy with the state’s economic trajectory should consider Republican Mike Rogers for Senate and John James for governor rather than continuing to support Democrats. The discussion expands into the Biden-era economy and inflation, with Clay attributing the 2022 inflation spike and lingering increases in the cost of goods to federal spending during the Biden administration and arguing that voters should consider that record when deciding how to vote in 2026. He also previews audio involving political streamer Hasan Piker, reacting incredulously to Piker reportedly comparing himself to Rush Limbaugh.
Clay’s advice for a 25-year-old Gen Z listener seeking career and life guidance. Drawing on his own experience and the advice he gives his three sons, Clay encourages young adults to identify something they possess genuine aptitude for and aggressively develop that ability, whether that means becoming a mechanic, plumber, electrician, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or pursuing another skilled profession. He argues that young adults should expose themselves to many different activities before choosing a path because natural ability may remain undiscovered without the opportunity to try new things. Using examples ranging from basketball and swimming to playing the piano, Clay emphasizes that hard work is most productive when combined with aptitude. His overarching message is that people in their twenties possess an enormous advantage in the form of time, and that disciplined use of those years can create opportunities that may not become fully visible until their thirties and forties.
Clay focuses on the crucial 2026 North Carolina Senate race, talking with Republican nominee Michael Whatley about his campaign against former Democratic Governor Roy Cooper and the battle for control of the U.S. Senate. Whatley describes North Carolina as a closely divided purple state, with roughly 30% registered Republicans, 30% Democrats, and 40% unaffiliated voters, and argues that the campaign will turn on the economy, border security, public safety, military strength, taxes, government spending, and cultural issues. He says his polling deficit has narrowed considerably as Election Day approaches and points to the history of Republicans closing strongly in North Carolina, including Donald Trump’s victories in the state in 2016, 2020, and 2024 and previous Senate campaigns involving Ted Budd and Thom Tillis. Whatley also discusses campaign fundraising and advertising, saying Republicans largely conserved resources until after Labor Day while Democrats and Roy Cooper benefited from substantial outside money. Clay and Whatley examine whether North Carolina’s Senate contest is primarily national or local, with Whatley arguing that national issues remain highly relevant to voters while Cooper’s record as governor is also central to the campaign.
Clay plays audio of the progressive streamer Hasan Piker describing himself as essentially “Rush Limbaugh for Zoomers” while claiming a higher standard for factual accuracy. Clay forcefully rejects the comparison, contrasting Piker’s politics with Rush Limbaugh’s advocacy of capitalism and American exceptionalism and criticizing Piker over controversial past statements about the United States and 9/11. More broadly, Clay uses the episode to discuss Gen Z political media, ideological bubbles, podcasts, livestreaming, talk radio, political persuasion, and the marketplace of ideas. He argues that people who consume political commentary primarily from one source should have opportunities to encounter opposing arguments rather than remaining inside closed media ecosystems. Clay connects that point to Charlie Kirk’s style of public debate and his own previously issued challenge to Colin Kaepernick, in which he offered $2 million to a mutually acceptable charity in exchange for a one-hour, unrestricted political discussion. Drawing on his legal background, Clay discusses how attorneys learn to understand competing arguments and says open confrontation between competing ideas is an effective way for audiences to judge which position is stronger.
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In Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay hosts solo and kicks off the Friday edition with a packed discussion of President Donald Trump, the China state visit, the 2026 midterm elections, Senate battleground states, Republican campaign strategy, the economy, inflation, Colin Kaepernick, Abdul El-Sayed, Sydney Sweeney, college football, and the stock market. Clay begins with the conclusion of President Trump’s state visit with China, which Trump characterized as productive, before previewing the president’s upcoming trip to Knoxville for the Texas-Tennessee college football game. Clay, who will also be in Knoxville for Fox’s Big Noon College Football Kickoff, launches some playful rivalry trash talk over whether the University of Tennessee or University of Texas is the “real UT,” invoking Sam Houston, Davy Crockett, the Alamo, Tennessee’s role in Texas history, and the showdown between the top-ranked Longhorns and the Volunteers.
The centerpiece of Hour 1 is a detailed analysis of the 2026 midterm elections and the battle for control of Congress, with Clay asking whether Republicans waited too long to launch their major advertising offensive. He contrasts Democratic and Republican campaign strategies, arguing that Democrats spent heavily over the summer attacking Republican candidates including Ken Paxton in Texas, Mike Collins in Georgia, Michael Whatley in North Carolina, and Susan Collins in Maine, while also promoting Democratic candidates including Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan. Republicans, by contrast, largely conserved their resources until the final stretch of the campaign and are now significantly increasing their spending. Clay questions whether this late advertising barrage will move the polls as Election Day approaches and voters begin paying closer attention to the races. He also challenges the broader polling narrative suggesting Democrats can simultaneously threaten Republicans in traditionally red states such as Texas, Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, and Alaska while Republicans remain competitive in traditionally Democratic or politically divided states such as Minnesota, Michigan, Maine, and New Hampshire. He argues that polling has historically underestimated Republican support and discusses the difficulty modern pollsters face reaching voters who routinely ignore calls from unknown numbers.
Clay examines several key 2026 Senate and statewide battlegrounds, focusing in particular on Minnesota, Michigan, New Hampshire, Maine, and Texas. In Minnesota, he points to Republican Michele Tafoya’s competitiveness and argues that voter dissatisfaction with economic conditions could hurt longtime Democratic leadership, including the political legacy of Tim Walz and the candidacy of Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan. In New Hampshire, Clay discusses the strength of the Sununu family name and a campaign strategy centered on local rather than national politics. In Michigan, he argues that Democratic control of key offices and the governorship of Gretchen Whitmer give Republicans an opportunity to make the election a referendum on state leadership rather than President Trump. He similarly raises questions about Susan Collins’ race in Maine and expresses skepticism that James Talarico can prevail in Texas once voters fully engage with the election. Clay previews upcoming conversations with Isabel Brown about Gen Z voters and young men, and with North Carolina Republican Senate nominee Michael Whatley about another pivotal Senate battleground.
The Michigan Senate race receives additional attention after Clay plays audio of Colin Kaepernick praising Abdul El-Sayed and Zohran Mamdani. Clay sharply criticizes Kaepernick’s political views and issues a public challenge offering $2 million to a mutually agreed-upon charity if Kaepernick will participate in a one-hour, no-topics-off-limits interview with him. He says he would use such an interview to challenge Kaepernick on his previous political and social commentary, including his comparisons involving the NFL Combine. Clay then uses Kaepernick’s endorsement of El-Sayed to return to Michigan politics, arguing that voters unhappy with the state’s economic trajectory should consider Republican Mike Rogers for Senate and John James for governor rather than continuing to support Democrats. The discussion expands into the Biden-era economy and inflation, with Clay attributing the 2022 inflation spike and lingering increases in the cost of goods to federal spending during the Biden administration and arguing that voters should consider that record when deciding how to vote in 2026. He also previews audio involving political streamer Hasan Piker, reacting incredulously to Piker reportedly comparing himself to Rush Limbaugh.
A lighter portion of Hour 1 features a caller from Ohio describing an unusual Rasmussen poll about Sydney Sweeney, which included several questions about the actress, her public image, and controversy surrounding her modeling. Clay reacts to the unusual polling questions and jokes about his own support for Sweeney while noting that, despite years of voting and discussing politics professionally, he has never personally been contacted for a political opinion poll. Listener calls also return to the Texas-Tennessee rivalry, with a Texas A&M fan explaining the Aggie tradition of referring to the University of Texas as “TU.” That conversation veers into college football and Clay’s speculation about whether a photograph involving Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce might have brought bad luck to Texas A&M. Another caller points out that September 25, or “9/25,” can serve as a playful Dolly Parton “9 to 5” Day, prompting Clay to request Dolly Parton bumper music.
Hour 1 concludes with financial-market analysis from Michael O’Keefe of Stifel, who discusses the economic and investment ramifications of the Trump-China state visit. O’Keefe describes the meeting as generally calming for investors, pointing to an extension of the U.S.-China trade truce, continuing negotiations over Chinese commitments involving soybeans, aircraft and rare earth minerals, the competitive relationship between the two countries on artificial intelligence, and the importance of continued U.S.-China military communications. The conversation then turns to the S&P 500 and stock market near record highs, with O’Keefe emphasizing the normal cycle of market advances and pullbacks and discussing the competing forces affecting investors, including inflation, oil prices, the Iran conflict, AI-driven productivity, and broader economic strength
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In Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay Travis hosts solo and talks with Isabel Brown about Gen Z politics, the widening political divide between young men and young women, feminism, masculinity, abortion, marriage, fertility, family formation, social media culture, and the 2026 midterm elections. Brown reacts to a disturbing social media trend involving women posting about aborting pregnancies specifically because they are expecting boys, and she and Clay discuss what they see as growing hostility toward men and masculinity in some corners of online culture. Brown, who is pregnant with a son and already has a young daughter, connects the phenomenon to broader debates about modern feminism, changing attitudes toward motherhood and fatherhood, reproductive technology, IVF and surrogacy, sex education, and the cultural separation of sex from marriage and procreation. The conversation also revisits the Lindsay Clancy case and a viral street interview comparing public reactions to Clancy with controversy surrounding Sydney Sweeney, as Brown argues that social media is producing increasingly extreme ideas about feminism, motherhood, gender, and family life.
A major focus of Hour 2 is the political and cultural divide within Generation Z. Clay notes that young men strongly favored Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election while young women overwhelmingly supported Kamala Harris, and he asks whether that gender gap can persist as Gen Z ages, dates, marries, and starts families. Brown argues that the divide is already contributing to declining marriage and fertility rates because young men and women increasingly lack shared cultural and political values. She credits conservative voices including Charlie Kirk, Michael Knowles, Brandon Tatum, and Jordan Peterson with encouraging young men to embrace masculinity, while predicting that a similar cultural movement toward traditional femininity, marriage, motherhood, and family formation could eventually influence young women. She also discusses contemporary terminology surrounding women and motherhood and argues that these cultural battles are contributing to a broader reexamination of traditional gender roles among younger Americans.
The interview then turns directly to the 2026 midterm elections and Gen Z voter turnout. Clay worries that the young men who helped Donald Trump and JD Vance in 2024 may be significantly less motivated to vote in a midterm election without a presidential contest at the top of the ballot. Brown agrees that turnout presents a major challenge and discusses what she sees as dissatisfaction among some younger voters with congressional Republicans. Among the issues raised are immigration and amnesty proposals, employment opportunities for Gen Z, grocery and gasoline prices, affordability, foreign wars, and U.S. involvement overseas. Brown argues that Republicans need to address those concerns more directly, particularly the cost-of-living crisis, while also competing more effectively against socialist economic messaging associated with Zohran Mamdani. She says housing affordability deserves particular attention and contrasts government intervention in housing with deregulation and expanded supply, while stressing the importance of reaching young people through social media and other communication platforms they actually use.
Outside the Brown interview, Hour 2 includes calls and lighter conversation about the Texas-Tennessee college football rivalry, with a Texas A&M supporter explaining the Aggie tradition of calling the University of Texas “TU” and using the “T-sips” nickname. Clay jokes about the rivalry ahead of the Tennessee-Texas game and mentions Ted Cruz and Ken Paxton while discussing Texas football and politics. The conversation later turns to the “jock tax” paid by professional athletes, after a caller asks how state income taxes work for NFL players competing away from their home states. Clay explains that professional athletes can owe taxes based on where games are played, contrasting jurisdictions with high state taxes with states such as Texas that do not impose a state individual income tax, and argues that large tax bills can change athletes’ perceptions of taxation as they begin earning substantial professional salaries.
A substantial portion of Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is devoted to Clay’s advice for a 25-year-old Gen Z listener seeking career and life guidance. Drawing on his own experience and the advice he gives his three sons, Clay encourages young adults to identify something they possess genuine aptitude for and aggressively develop that ability, whether that means becoming a mechanic, plumber, electrician, engineer, doctor, lawyer, or pursuing another skilled profession. He argues that young adults should expose themselves to many different activities before choosing a path because natural ability may remain undiscovered without the opportunity to try new things. Using examples ranging from basketball and swimming to playing the piano, Clay emphasizes that hard work is most productive when combined with aptitude. His overarching message is that people in their twenties possess an enormous advantage in the form of time, and that disciplined use of those years can create opportunities that may not become fully visible until their thirties and forties.
Clay goes further by arguing for an intense work ethic and long-term career development, recommending that ambitious people in their twenties consider working roughly 60 hours a week or more to establish their careers before marriage, children, and other responsibilities make their schedules more complicated. He encourages college students to think of higher education not merely as earning a degree but as preparation for a career and adult responsibilities. A caller reinforces that theme by describing how balancing college coursework, a second major, a minor, Army Reserve service, football, and employment taught him time-management skills that later helped in his career and while earning an MBA. Clay similarly points to high school and college athletics as a valuable training ground for discipline and time management, citing the demanding schedules associated with football, swimming, and competitive soccer.
That life-advice discussion expands into personal finance, investing, compound interest, the S&P 500, and building wealth at a young age. Clay argues that young adults should begin investing as early as possible, even if they have only modest amounts available, because decades of compound growth can dramatically increase the value of early investments. He uses a simplified hypothetical in which $1,000 invested at age 20 doubles approximately every decade, illustrating how long-term compounding could transform a relatively small initial investment into a much larger amount by retirement age if historical market-return assumptions hold. Clay connects that principle to the idea behind Trump accounts for children and argues that the combination of consistently investing, building marketable skills, working hard, and allowing both money and career experience to compound can generate substantial financial security over decades. His core message to Gen Z listeners is to use their twenties to establish both professional and financial foundations rather than becoming discouraged by how small their starting position may appear.
Finally, Hour 2 takes an unexpected political turn when a South Carolina caller raises the possibility of red-state and blue-state secession, arguing that ideological differences in the United States have become increasingly difficult to reconcile. Clay notes South Carolina’s historical role as the first state to secede before the Civil War and pushes back by reminding the caller how badly that historical experiment ended, while acknowledging that intense political polarization exists on both sides of the red-blue divide. Rather than endorsing secession, Clay pivots toward demographic and economic migration, predicting that increasing amounts of American economic power will shift toward red states such as Tennessee, Texas, and Florida. The hour also previews an upcoming interview with Michael Whatley, the Republican candidate for an open North Carolina U.S. Senate seat running against former Governor Roy Cooper.
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In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay Travis hosts solo and focuses on the crucial 2026 North Carolina Senate race, talking with Republican nominee Michael Whatley about his campaign against former Democratic Governor Roy Cooper and the battle for control of the U.S. Senate. Whatley describes North Carolina as a closely divided purple state, with roughly 30% registered Republicans, 30% Democrats, and 40% unaffiliated voters, and argues that the campaign will turn on the economy, border security, public safety, military strength, taxes, government spending, and cultural issues. He says his polling deficit has narrowed considerably as Election Day approaches and points to the history of Republicans closing strongly in North Carolina, including Donald Trump’s victories in the state in 2016, 2020, and 2024 and previous Senate campaigns involving Ted Budd and Thom Tillis. Whatley also discusses campaign fundraising and advertising, saying Republicans largely conserved resources until after Labor Day while Democrats and Roy Cooper benefited from substantial outside money. Clay and Whatley examine whether North Carolina’s Senate contest is primarily national or local, with Whatley arguing that national issues remain highly relevant to voters while Cooper’s record as governor is also central to the campaign.
The conversation turns to Hurricane Helene recovery in Western North Carolina, where Whatley sharply criticizes Cooper’s response and discusses the scale of destruction caused by the storm, including homes and businesses damaged or destroyed and lives lost. Whatley contrasts that response with recovery efforts under President Trump, describing federal assistance for rebuilding roads, bridges, water infrastructure, Lake Lure, Chimney Rock, and other affected communities. He says considerable work remains but portrays Western North Carolina as resilient and the recovery as a central issue in the Senate campaign. The interview then shifts to early voting and Republican turnout strategy. Whatley says absentee voting is already underway and North Carolina early voting begins October 15, encouraging voters to make a specific plan to vote by mail, vote early in person, or cast a ballot on Election Day. Clay emphasizes the Republican strategy of “banking” reliable votes as early as possible so campaigns can concentrate late resources on voters who have not yet participated. Clay concludes that a Whatley victory in North Carolina, particularly if Republicans also perform well in states such as Maine, would make the Democratic path to Senate control substantially more difficult.
After the interview, listeners continue discussing the North Carolina Senate election, including a caller who suggests that Lara Trump campaign for Whatley in her home state to help boost Republican turnout. Clay says he expects her to campaign extensively in North Carolina and considers inviting her onto the program. The conversation then returns to personal finance, investing for children, compound interest, and generational wealth. A Florida father describes opening UTMA, or Uniform Transfers to Minors Act, accounts for his two sons and contributing approximately $100 per month to each. Using an assumed long-term investment return, he estimates the accounts could grow to roughly $65,000 apiece by age 18. Clay uses the example to reinforce his argument that families do not need enormous amounts of money to begin investing, stressing the long-term importance of regular contributions, compound returns, and beginning as early as possible. He also mentions Trump accounts for children as another opportunity for parents and grandparents to investigate while emphasizing long-term saving and investing for the next generation.
A major media and political segment of Hour 3 centers on Hasan Piker after Clay plays audio of the progressive streamer describing himself as essentially “Rush Limbaugh for Zoomers” while claiming a higher standard for factual accuracy. Clay forcefully rejects the comparison, contrasting Piker’s politics with Rush Limbaugh’s advocacy of capitalism and American exceptionalism and criticizing Piker over controversial past statements about the United States and 9/11. More broadly, Clay uses the episode to discuss Gen Z political media, ideological bubbles, podcasts, livestreaming, talk radio, political persuasion, and the marketplace of ideas. He argues that people who consume political commentary primarily from one source should have opportunities to encounter opposing arguments rather than remaining inside closed media ecosystems. Clay connects that point to Charlie Kirk’s style of public debate and his own previously issued challenge to Colin Kaepernick, in which he offered $2 million to a mutually acceptable charity in exchange for a one-hour, unrestricted political discussion. Drawing on his legal background, Clay discusses how attorneys learn to understand competing arguments and says open confrontation between competing ideas is an effective way for audiences to judge which position is stronger.
Clay also recounts a recent dinner with Kid Rock while discussing efforts to support Republican John James in the Michigan governor’s race. According to Clay, their conversation centered on President Trump and the need for Republican candidates and conservative arguments to reach people outside their existing media audiences ahead of the midterms. That discussion feeds into Clay’s larger theme that political persuasion and media outreach matter precisely because younger voters may be encountering only one side of political debates through social media personalities and online content. Clay stresses the importance of directly engaging competing arguments rather than assuming voters already understand the conservative case.
The final portion of Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show shifts into sports, listener feedback, and the much-anticipated Texas-Tennessee college football showdown in Knoxville. Clay previews his trip to Neyland Stadium, President Trump’s planned attendance, his appearance on Fox Sports’ Big Noon coverage, and his scheduled interview with Tennessee head coach Josh Heupel. Listeners continue the running debate over whether Tennessee or Texas deserves to be called the “real UT,” including a tongue-in-cheek claim that Toledo University should own the abbreviation. Another listener offers a history lesson about Tennessee and Texas meeting in the 1969 Cotton Bowl and the dispute over which team would wear orange. Clay predicts a Tennessee victory and embraces the rivalry and traditions surrounding major college football games. He also briefly discusses his sports betting picks for Texas-Tennessee, including Tennessee against the point spread and the game’s total, while reminding listeners to gamble only what they can afford to lose.
The hour also revisits Clay’s philosophy of putting money behind public challenges, including his proposed $2 million charitable debate with Colin Kaepernick and his previously discussed $10 million proposal involving a WNBA champion and a high-school boys team as part of his commentary on transgender participation in women’s sports. Listener feedback returns to his earlier career advice about working hard in your twenties, with one listener describing how long hours early in his hotel career eventually helped him build a large wedding-venue business.
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