The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Anthony Fauci returns to Capitol Hill—but refuses to answer key questions. Mary Katharine Ham is joined by Lauren Stewart to break down Fauci's Fifth Amendment testimony, the explosive revelations from his reported COVID-era diaries, and what the controversy could mean for government accountability moving forward.
The conversation then shifts to New York City, where Mayor Zohran Mamdani's latest policies—including taxpayer-funded grocery stores, controversial property tax proposals, and rising concerns over public safety and antisemitism—continue to generate heated debate.
Finally, they discuss WNBA star Sophie Cunningham's comments defending women's sports, why the issue continues to dominate headlines, and how the conversation around fairness and biological sex in athletics is evolving.
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National Review senior writer Dan McLaughlin joins The Karol Markowicz Show for a wide-ranging conversation about history, politics, constitutional law, and why understanding the past is essential to navigating America's future.
Dan shares his fascinating journey from practicing attorney to one of conservative media's leading writers, discusses his ambitious upcoming history book covering the transformative years of 1851-1857, and explains how events from more than 170 years ago continue to shape today's political landscape.
Karol and Dan also explore the long-term effects of the COVID pandemic, the rise of artificial intelligence, declining reading habits, political engagement, and why today's cultural battles often echo history. Dan closes with practical advice on succeeding professionally without creating unnecessary enemies.
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Clay Travis highlights dramatic moments from the hearing, including Senator Josh Hawley questioning Fauci with simple observational questions after it became clear he would decline to answer substantive inquiries. Clay also discusses legal questions surrounding Fauci’s testimony, including whether presidential pardons protect him from future liability, whether perjury concerns influenced his decision to invoke the Fifth Amendment, and what possible avenues remain for accountability. The conversation examines congressional contempt issues, the limits of presidential pardons, and whether state-level investigations or prosecutions could ever be pursued related to Fauci’s actions during the COVID era.
An extended interview with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who reflects on his long-running clashes with Fauci throughout the pandemic. DeSantis argues that Florida’s decision to keep businesses open, reopen schools, reject prolonged lockdowns, and resist mask mandates ultimately proved correct. He discusses how his administration opposed federal public health recommendations, recalls criticism Florida received during the height of the pandemic, and maintains that many of Fauci’s recommendations were politically driven rather than supported by evolving data. The governor also reacts to comments reportedly found in Fauci’s personal diary criticizing DeSantis and says those remarks validate Florida’s approach.
Clay welcomes Kristen Waggoner, President and CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, for a wide-ranging conversation about constitutional freedoms, religious liberty, free speech, and cultural issues. Waggoner reflects on the legal battles her organization fought during the COVID years, including cases involving churches, employees, and organizations challenging government restrictions. She argues that pandemic policies exposed what she sees as growing threats to civil liberties and stresses the importance of protecting religious freedom and free expression against government overreach and censorship.
Clay speaks with Evan Barker, author of Nothing Left: Confessions of a Democrat Operative. Barker discusses her journey from Democratic political activism and fundraising to becoming an independent voter. She recounts beginning her political involvement during Barack Obama’s first presidential campaign, working within Democratic fundraising circles, and eventually helping raise more than $50 million for Democratic causes and candidates. Barker explains why she became disillusioned with what she describes as the modern Democratic Party’s focus on identity politics, progressive activism, and cultural issues rather than economic concerns affecting working-class voters. The interview examines partisan polarization, donor influence, campaign fundraising, generational political shifts, and the changing identity of the Democratic coalition.
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Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show is dominated by reaction to a major Senate hearing involving former White House COVID adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci. Clay Travis delivers an extensive analysis of Fauci’s decision to invoke the Fifth Amendment repeatedly during testimony before a committee led by Senator Rand Paul, arguing that the move represents a significant moment in the ongoing debate over COVID-19 lockdowns, vaccine mandates, school closures, masking policies, and government pandemic response. Travis contends that many Americans who felt harmed by pandemic-era restrictions view Fauci as the central figure responsible for policies that affected businesses, education, employment, civil liberties, and daily life. The program reviews several exchanges from the hearing, including Fauci’s opening statement criticizing Rand Paul and his refusal to answer questions, as well as Republican senators pressing him on his conduct and past public statements.
The show highlights dramatic moments from the hearing, including Senator Josh Hawley questioning Fauci with simple observational questions after it became clear he would decline to answer substantive inquiries. Clay also discusses legal questions surrounding Fauci’s testimony, including whether presidential pardons protect him from future liability, whether perjury concerns influenced his decision to invoke the Fifth Amendment, and what possible avenues remain for accountability. The conversation examines congressional contempt issues, the limits of presidential pardons, and whether state-level investigations or prosecutions could ever be pursued related to Fauci’s actions during the COVID era.
A significant portion of Hour 1 features an extended interview with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who reflects on his long-running clashes with Fauci throughout the pandemic. DeSantis argues that Florida’s decision to keep businesses open, reopen schools, reject prolonged lockdowns, and resist mask mandates ultimately proved correct. He discusses how his administration opposed federal public health recommendations, recalls criticism Florida received during the height of the pandemic, and maintains that many of Fauci’s recommendations were politically driven rather than supported by evolving data. The governor also reacts to comments reportedly found in Fauci’s personal diary criticizing DeSantis and says those remarks validate Florida’s approach.
The interview further explores the legal and political ramifications of Fauci’s testimony. DeSantis explains the challenges involved in any potential state-level prosecution, including jurisdictional issues, statutes of limitation, and the distinction between federal and state offenses. While expressing skepticism that significant legal accountability is likely now, he outlines the procedural hurdles that would confront any effort to bring charges. The discussion broadens into concerns about government bureaucracy, federal institutions, and what DeSantis characterizes as unequal treatment within the justice system.
Hour 1 closes with DeSantis reflecting on Florida’s political transformation from a battleground state to a Republican stronghold. He credits decisive conservative leadership, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, for attracting new residents and reshaping the state’s electorate. Clay Travis praises DeSantis’ handling of the pandemic and discusses Florida’s economic and population growth, framing the state’s response as a defining political success story. Overall, the first hour centers on Anthony Fauci testimony, Senate hearings, COVID accountability, Fifth Amendment controversy, Rand Paul investigation, pandemic policy debate, Ron DeSantis interview, lockdown criticism, vaccine mandate discussion, school closures, public health policy, constitutional rights, and the continuing political fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show continues the program’s extensive coverage of former NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci’s congressional testimony, with Clay Travis dedicating much of the hour to analyzing the political, legal, and cultural fallout from Fauci invoking the Fifth Amendment 111 times before a Senate committee. Clay argues that the hearing reinforced long-standing criticisms of the federal government’s COVID-19 response, while exploring whether any meaningful accountability remains possible years after lockdowns, vaccine mandates, school closures, mask requirements, and other pandemic-era restrictions reshaped daily life. Throughout the hour, listeners hear reaction from lawmakers, including Senator Rand Paul’s continued effort to press Fauci on pandemic decisions and federal recordkeeping, as well as discussions about potential contempt proceedings arising from his refusal to answer questions.
A major topic in Hour 2 is the broader reassessment of COVID policies and narratives. Clay highlights comments from Senator John Fetterman acknowledging that the COVID lab leak theory was prematurely dismissed as a partisan talking point despite later gaining credibility. The program uses that exchange to revisit debates over the origins of the coronavirus, public trust in government health officials, media coverage, and accusations that dissenting viewpoints were unfairly marginalized during the pandemic. Clay also criticizes Democratic lawmakers who continue to defend Fauci, pointing specifically to remarks praising his public service despite his repeated invocation of constitutional protections during the hearing.
Listener calls form a substantial portion of the second hour, as audience members share personal experiences from the COVID era. Callers describe canceled school trips, disrupted graduations, mask mandates, business restrictions, social distancing rules, and other pandemic measures that affected families across the country. Clay reflects on what he views as the most controversial examples of public-health mandates, including restrictions on outdoor activities, sporting events, restaurants, and public gatherings. The discussion centers on whether those policies were justified and whether government officials responsible for them should face consequences.
The conversation also expands into China’s role in the COVID-19 pandemic. Responding to callers, Clay argues that China has largely escaped accountability for the outbreak and revisits claims that the virus likely originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. The show explores questions surrounding Chinese government transparency, global economic damage caused by the pandemic, and ongoing frustration among Americans who believe major institutions failed to fully investigate the virus’s origins or hold responsible parties accountable. Clay discusses legal and geopolitical challenges that would make obtaining restitution or accountability from China difficult despite the enormous worldwide impact of the pandemic.
Later in the hour, Clay welcomes Kristen Waggoner, President and CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, for a wide-ranging conversation about constitutional freedoms, religious liberty, free speech, and cultural issues. Waggoner reflects on the legal battles her organization fought during the COVID years, including cases involving churches, employees, and organizations challenging government restrictions. She argues that pandemic policies exposed what she sees as growing threats to civil liberties and stresses the importance of protecting religious freedom and free expression against government overreach and censorship.
The interview then shifts to one of the nation’s most debated legal and cultural topics: women’s sports and transgender athlete policies. Clay and Waggoner discuss recent Supreme Court rulings that allow a majority of states to maintain laws restricting biological males from competing in girls’ and women’s sports. They review ongoing litigation in states that continue to permit transgender participation, discuss fairness and competitive balance, and examine the legal arguments surrounding biological sex and athletic competition. The conversation also touches on high-profile athlete activism, including praise for WNBA player Sophie Cunningham for publicly supporting sex-based categories in sports despite criticism from some activists and fans.
As the hour concludes, listeners continue reacting to Fauci’s testimony and sharing stories that highlight what they view as the absurdities of COVID-era regulations. Examples include restrictions on family members riding together in golf carts despite living in the same household and international lockdown policies that limited travel distances from home. Clay argues that these stories demonstrate why many Americans remain deeply frustrated with pandemic leadership and believes the Fauci hearing has reignited a national debate over COVID accountability, government authority, public health mandates, constitutional freedoms, the lab leak theory, China’s role in the pandemic, free speech, religious liberty, Supreme Court decisions, women’s sports, transgender athlete policies, and the long-term political consequences of the coronavirus era.
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