This is our unabridged interview with Michael Luo.
When journalist Michael Luo was told to “go back to China” on a Manhattan sidewalk, it sparked a deeply personal journey into America’s past. In his new book Strangers in the Land, Luo unearths the overlooked history of Chinese exclusion in the U.S.—from early migrations and violent hostility to the nation’s first racially targeted immigration laws. He reflects on the enduring legacies of that history and the echoes we see today. Michael explores not just patterns of injustice but also stories of resilience and solidarity that offer a hopeful vision for America’s future.
Show Notes
Resources:
Strangers in The Land by Michael Luo
Interior Chinatown by Charles Yu
An Open Letter to the Woman Who Told My Family to Go Back to China by Michael Luo
Similar Episodes:
Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu: Asian American History is American History
David Blight: Why How We Remember the Past Matters
Michele Norris: Race, Your Story, 6 Words, Please Send
Transcript
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218: Michael Luo: Strangers in the Land
When journalist Michael Luo was told to “go back to China” on a Manhattan sidewalk, it sparked a deeply personal journey into America’s past. In his new book Strangers in the Land, Luo unearths the overlooked history of Chinese exclusion in the U.S.—from early migrations and violent hostility to the nation’s first racially targeted immigration laws. He reflects on the enduring legacies of that history and the echoes we see today. Michael explores not just patterns of injustice but also stories of resilience and solidarity that offer a hopeful vision for America’s future.
Show Notes
Resources:
Strangers in The Land by Michael Luo
Interior Chinatown by Charles Yu
An Open Letter to the Woman Who Told My Family to Go Back to China by Michael Luo
Similar Episodes:
Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu: Asian American History is American History
David Blight: Why How We Remember the Past Matters
Michele Norris: Race, Your Story, 6 Words, Please Send
Transcript
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Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. Start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com.
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217: Unabridged Interview: Astro Teller
This is our unabridged interview Astro Teller.
In a world that is increasingly dominated by profit over people, it’s easy to be cynical about the future. But what if there was a different way forward? Could capitalism, technology, and human flourishing go hand in hand, and what would it take to get us there?
In this episode, Lee Camp invites Astro Teller, co-founder and "Captain of Moonshots" at Alphabet’s X, into a conversation about reshaping the business narrative. From developing sticker technology to track global goods more sustainably, to pioneering affordable ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, Astro shares how he thinks moonshot thinking can reconcile profit, purpose, and planetary health.
Show Notes
Resources:
X: The Moonshot Factory
Exegesis by Astro Teller
The World-Ending Fire: The Essential Wendell Berry by Wendell Berry
Similar Episodes:
Ben and Jerry's and a Better Capitalism: Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub
Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman
Peace, Justice, Ice Cream: Ben Cohen
Transcript
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Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. Start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com.
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217: Astro Teller: Captain of Moonshots on Purpose and Profit
In a world that is increasingly dominated by profit over people, it’s easy to be cynical about the future. But what if there was a different way forward? Could capitalism, technology, and human flourishing go hand in hand, and what would it take to get us there?
In this episode, Lee Camp invites Astro Teller, co-founder and "Captain of Moonshots" at Alphabet’s X, into a conversation about reshaping the business narrative. From developing sticker technology to track global goods more sustainably, to pioneering affordable ways to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, Astro shares how he thinks moonshot thinking can reconcile profit, purpose, and planetary health.
Show Notes
Resources:
X: The Moonshot Factory
Exegesis by Astro Teller
The World-Ending Fire: The Essential Wendell Berry by Wendell Berry
Similar Episodes:
Ben and Jerry's and a Better Capitalism: Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub
Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman
Peace, Justice, Ice Cream: Ben Cohen
Transcript
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Great Feeling Studios, the team behind No Small Endeavor and other award-winning podcasts, helps nonprofits and brands tell stories that inspire action. Start your podcast at helpmemakeapodcast.com.
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216: Unabridged Interview: David Blight
This is our unabridged interview with David Blight.
“If you’re not ready on some level for the tragedies of history, they’re coming to get you.”
In September of 2020 Professor David Blight got an unexpected call from his boss. The President of Yale wanted Blight to work on a project about Yale’s historical involvement with slavery. The undertaking was so enormous that the Pulitzer Prize winning historian remembers sitting on the phone “wishing that conversation wasn't happening.” But 4 years later the book was published. Yale and Slavery: A History has been lauded as “the most mature examination ever made of the role of slavery in a university’s past.”
Lee sits down with David to discuss why how we remember the past matters. “This idea that we don't want history to be divisive or to make people feel unpleasant or unhappy…is of course to manufacture tales that just don't hold up. Which is another way of saying it's like spreading lies in the service of nationalism.”
Show Notes
Resources:
“Yale and Slavery: A History”
"Fredrick Douglass: Profit of Freedom"
The Yale Slavery and Research Project
Similar Episodes:
Mpho Tutu van Furth
Eugene Cho and Karen Korematsu
Dr Eddie Glaude
Transcript
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