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- Before Jarod John Leonard became a menswear label stocked at Harvey Nichols, its founders brought together fans of Japanese label Number (N)ine on messaging platform Discord. The group grew from 20 people to several thousand, giving the emerging brand an audience that had been there from the start, weighing in on everything from its first boots to fabric choices. On live-streaming platform Twitch, creators like Kai Cenat are bringing viewers along on shopping trips, sharing how their tastes are evolving and even launching fashion labels of their own.
This week on The Debrief, senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young speaks with BoF correspondent Lei Takanashi about how these platforms build trust and turn attention into fashion influence. They discuss how candid conversations and spontaneous moments help make these spaces so influential, and why brands risk losing that appeal when they try to commercialise it.
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Unlike more public-facing social platforms, communities like Discord can give fashion enthusiasts a space to connect over shared interests without the pressure to perform for an audience. That sense of authenticity can help foster the relationships and shared tastes that eventually form the foundation of a brand. âYou could just come as your true self,â says Takanashi.
Watching a creator discover clothes, question prices and decide what to buy gives viewers a sense of how their taste develops. Those spontaneous reactions can also drive purchases. Takanashi points to a Walmart stream where a creatorâs enthusiasm for a $25 sneaker encouraged fans to buy it. âJust him saying that this shoe was dope led to tonnes of people picking up this $25 sneaker,â he says. The unpredictability helps distinguish these moments from a planned celebrity endorsement: âYou can never tell whatâs gonna happen next, Takanashi says.â
The candid conversations that make Discord valuable can be difficult to reconcile with a brandâs desire to manage its messaging. Takanashi argues that companies should recognise the value of communities that develop independently, even when they cannot dictate the conversation. âI donât necessarily think brands have to control those spaces, but I do think they should just pay attention to them,â he says. Listening gives brands access to feedback that a polished social media presence might miss: âThat is where youâll probably find the most honest opinions about your brand.â
Takanashi sees parallels between streamer Kai Cenat and the late designer Virgil Abloh in their ability to connect with a generation through its preferred platforms and build communities around their taste. âTheyâre both cultural tastemakers, just in different spaces,â he says. He expects creators to retain influence over the young fans who grow up watching them, while recognising that other customers will continue to take their cues from craftsmanship and independent designers.
Additional Resources:
How Twitch and Discord Are Shaping Menswearâs Next Generation | BoF
Can Culture Still Move the Needle in Sportswear? | BoF
âAnything Is Possibleâ: Kai Cenat Collides Worlds of Fashion and Streaming | BoF
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - Luxuryâs best salespeople have always been in demand, but the stakes have changed. As AI automates more of the shopping experience and price hikes strain loyalty, retailers are leaning harder on the one thing a machine canât replicate: a human salesperson who knows exactly what their clients want. From Nordstromâs uncapped commissions to Bloomingdaleâs dedicated personal shopping suites, the perks on offer for top sellers who can single-handedly move millions of dollars in merchandise show just how valuable the talent has become.
In this episode, senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young is joined by BoFâs retail editor Cathaleen Chen to discuss why luxuryâs top salespeople have become some of the industryâs most coveted talent, the lengths retailers are going to attract and retain them and what the high-profile move of stylist Catherine Bloom from Neiman Marcus to Nordstrom reveals about the increasingly competitive market for elite sellers.
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Nordstromâs recruitment of former Neiman Marcus stylist Catherine Bloom illustrates just how valuable top salespeople have become to luxury retailers. Nordstrom co-chief executive Pete Nordstrom personally courted Bloom, whose longstanding relationships with wealthy clients made her a particularly coveted hire. As Chen notes, retail remains âone of the last industries where you can start at the entry level and work your way up,â with loyalty and long tenure often rewarded.
Saks Globalâs financial troubles, which intensified in 2025 following its acquisition of Neiman Marcus, created an opening for competitors looking to recruit top talent from both retailers. With inventory shortages making it harder for stylists to serve their clients, rival department stores spotted an opportunity to lure away established sellers and their valuable customer relationships. âIf youâre not giving your clients top tier merchandise, then you really are not fulfilling your duties and serving them as their stylist,â Chen says, adding that several department store executives described the situation as a hiring opportunity.
Retailers typically take two approaches to building a high-performing sales force: developing talent internally or recruiting established sellers from competitors. Butler-Young, citing luxury recruiter Caroline Pill, notes that the essential hard skills are âexperience and the client book,â while the soft skills include âcharisma ... diligence ... someone that listens maybe more than they speak.â
Even as AI automates more of the shopping experience, the relationships top salespeople build with their clients remain difficult to replicate. âItâs a people business, itâs AI-proof, itâs a relationship business,â Chen says, noting that the value of top sellers lies in âthe books that they keep, their Rolodexes.â Some are even invited to their clientsâ birthday parties and travel with them.
Top luxury salespeople can command extraordinary perks, including, in Catherine Bloomâs case, a standalone, appointment-only store at Nordstrom. Butler-Young recounts Pete Nordstromâs enthusiasm for rewarding high performers: âI think itâs great that commission is uncapped, they deserve to make hundreds of [thousands] of dollars.â But Chen questions whether giving star sellers so much preferential treatment risks creating a âshopper monopoly,â with top associates potentially cannibalising sales from their colleagues.
Additional Resources:
Inside the Battle for Luxuryâs Million-Dollar Salespeople | BoF
Pete Nordstrom on the Enduring Power of Retailâs âBest Mousetrapâ | The BoF Podcast
Olivier Bron on Making Bloomingdaleâs Desirable Again | BoF
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - For years, a coveted pair of Air Jordans could send sneaker fans into a frenzy. But when Nike brought back the black-and-blue Air Jordan 1 Royal this month, the response was muted â days after release, the shoe was still available in several sizes, with some pairs reselling below retail.
BoF correspondent Mike Sykes, who has been reporting on Nikeâs search for its next big hit, joins senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young on The Debrief to break down what the tepid reception reveals about the wider company, and whether chief executive Elliott Hillâs pivot toward sport â in womenâs basketball, running and recovery â can translate into lasting growth.
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The muted reception to the Air Jordan 1 Royal exposes a deeper problem than one slow-selling shoe. âThere is a very obvious downswing that has happened with⌠the most popular Jordan silhouettes, these retro Jordans that usually work,â Sykes says. âThey donât really know what it is that people want from them right now. The classic retro styles that worked five years ago, ten years ago just donât work right now.â
Nike is pulling back on Jordan drops to restore exclusivity, but Sykes doesnât think supply discipline alone fixes the brand. âScarcity is not the magic pill that will solve all the problems that Jordan Brand has,â he says. Virgil Ablohâs âThe Tenâ is held up as proof of what real cultural impact looks like â and how hard it is to manufacture on demand: âNike could use another version of The Ten right now, but you canât just pull The Ten out of thin air. Thatâs something that happens over time.â
CEO Elliott Hillâs bet on womenâs basketball and running is showing early signs of life. âWith Nike basketball on the womenâs side specifically, I think there is a lot of energy right now,â Sykes says of signature shoes for Aâja Wilson, Caitlin Clark and Sabrina Ionescu. Running, meanwhile, is up double digits â though far from uncontested: âI would categorise this as one of the bright spots, but there is a lot of competition in the marketplace.â
Products like the Nike Mind 001 clog and Hyperice gear target the booming wellness category, even if the price tags give Sykes pause. âWould you buy a $250 pair of slides? Probably not,â he says. âBut I think that every little bit counts for the space that the brand is in right now.â
Asked for the one signal that would show Nike is turning a corner, Sykes points to resale. âThe aftermarket shows me how much people actually covet these shoes,â he says. âAnd I donât really see people valuing the brand a lot as it is right now.â
Additional Resources:
Has Nike Done Lasting Damage to Jordan Brand? | BoF
Nike Kicks the Can Down the Road Again | BoF
The Debrief | Is Nike Finally Winning With Women? | BoF
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - Fashion has long been obsessed with youth, treating young shoppers as both trendsetters and the engine of growth. Yet brands including Evereve, Ulla Johnson, Frances Valentine and Poppy & Peonies are finding opportunities in catering to women in their 40s, 50s and beyond, a demographic with significant spending power and brand loyalty that rarely features prominently in fashion campaigns.
On this week's episode of The Debrief, senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young and US editor Diana Pearl examine why brands are still afraid to make the older shopper the face of a campaign, what âmulti-generational sellingâ actually requires, and how founders, sales associates and even a customerâs own social circle can become a brandâs most powerful marketing tool.
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Young consumers may drive fashionâs cultural conversation, but older shoppers wield significant purchasing power. As Pearl puts it: âWhat [youth] donât often have is the spending power... thereâs so much discussion about how boomers are the wealthiest generation.â
Brands will chase an older customerâs wallet but hesitate to put her face on a billboard. Pearl traces this to âa lot of ingrained misogyny in not just fashion, but in our society,â where women over 40 are seen as less interesting to market to â even though, she argues, âwhen [we] see older women who are chic, who are beautiful, stylish, who are successful, thereâs an aspirational element to that.â
The brands succeeding arenât just targeting a specific age cohortâ theyâre building for mothers, daughters and grandmothers at once. âIf you can sell to the mother, the daughter, the grandmother... that just gives you access to such a wide swath of consumers,â Pearl says, dubbing it a brandâs âsuperpowerâ because it builds âlong-term loyalty and deep connection with the brand.â
Long before the creator economy, community tastemakers shaped what women bought â they just werenât on Instagram. âThereâs always been that girl... who always had the best product recommendations, always knew of the hot new cool brands,â says Pearl. Those women, she says, were the nano-influencers of their time â holding âan immense amount of sway over their friends and their communities.â
Many of the brands successfully courting older shoppers are founder-led, with personal connections playing a central role in building customer loyalty. For brands looking to replicate those relationships at scale, store associates can play a critical role. Pearlâs advice: âreally educating... store teams, particularly store managers, and empowering them to empower their associates, to build those relationships.â
Additional Resources:
Fashionâs Next Growth Opportunity Isnât Gen Z | BoF
Fashion Wakes Up to the âSilver Generationâ Opportunity | BoF
Why Brands Cast Older Celebrities to Court Younger Consumers | BoF
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - A $15,000 mechanical bird named Molly has become an unlikely flashpoint for retail. After pop star Kelly Clarkson accused Brooklyn boutique Art of Play of treating her âlike Julia Robertsâ characterâ in Pretty Woman, the dispute ignited a much bigger debate about customer service, training and who bears the brunt of bad retail experiences.
In this episode, senior correspondent Sheena Butler-Young is joined by Jessica Kwon, who recently examined why poor customer service remains so pervasive across retail, and retail editor Cathaleen Chen, who spearheaded BoFâs coverage of the worldâs best independent stores. Together, they explore why retailers struggle to get service right â and what it takes to deliver a better shopping experience.
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Kwon connects the Clarkson incident to a longer pattern of retail profiling. âThereâs a reason thereâs this dedicated phrase, âshopping while Blackâ, that points to this phenomenon of Black customers being disproportionately scrutinized and surveilled,â she says, noting Oprah, Cardi B and Savannah James have all described similar treatment.
Chen is skeptical of the theory that cold treatment drives luxury sales. âI personally find that very hard to believe,â she says, arguing the opposite is now true: âI donât think that a true luxury shopping environment should make anyone feel intimidated or condescended upon.â
For Chen, salaried-plus-commission models â like those at Elyse Walker â build loyalty because staff see a path up. âThe CEO of Aritzia â she started at that company as a sales associate,â she says, tying good service to employees who âfeel like they have a stake in the store.â
Chen points to average tenures of five to six months as the real culprit behind inconsistent service. âItâs really not enough time... to soak up the culture of the brand and feel like you are a part of this environment,â she says.
Kwon links pandemic-era social isolation to a generational shift in what good service looks like. âA lot of young people want to be left alone,â she says, adding that attentive service can now read as âa little obsequious.â
Additional Resources:
Why Is It Still So Painful to Shop in Stores? | BoF
The Best Fashion Stores in the World | BoF
How to Build the Retail Customer Service Dream Team | BoF
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Welcome to The Debrief, a new weekly podcast from The Business of Fashion, where we go beyond the glossy veneer and unpack our most popular BoF Professional stories. Hosted by BoF correspondents Sheena Butler-Young and Brian Baskin, The Debrief will be your guide into the mega labels, indie upstarts and unforgettable personalities shaping the $2.5 trillion global fashion industry. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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